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To: alt.magick From: bheidrick@aol.com (B Heidrick) Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:14:59 GMT Subject: Re: OTO and AA Connections (Re: Statement by the Highest Authority of the A.'.A.'.) 93 Nigris, Without prejudice to either OTO or A.'.A.'., and speaking only for myself as an individual: Quoting from your post: >numerous references to the AA >as unofficially related to the (c)OTO Exactly. Not officially related or formally affiliated but considered friendly or at least worthy of external friendly relations. That means neither OTO nor A.'.A.'. tells the other what to do internally. The Crowley copyrights do complicate that. >a clear statement from the head of the O.T.O. that >"a resigned O.T.O. officer" created "the Temple of Thelema, >an occult group in Los Angeles" which "purports to act as a >training group for the A.'.A.'. And? If you asked J.E. about that, would he countradict the remark you quote? The occasion was a review of an OTO book that appeared on Amazon.com. That review apparently came from ToT and disputed the accuracy of a Crowley text in that book. The topic of the text was the robe design of A.'.A.'. grades. The defense in the ML was to the accuracy of the published text. The dispute from the review based on a tradition held in ToT and attributed to either Jane Wolfe or the assertion of being in A.'.A.'. by virture of descent from Jane Wolfe. The area of contest was literature, not dominion of an organization. >many obvious even public dual-memberships >between O.T.O. and a variety of A.'.A.'. or A.'.A.'.-related >groups, Yes. I have a California Farm Bureau membership, but I'm not a Republican. So? >technically correct that officials of the O.T.O. have >not specified a FORMAL relationship between the two Right. >here has been an INFORMAL relationship between the >two since Crowley and his cohorts created the A.'.A.' Wrong. Crowley set up A.'.A.'. to replace the Golden Dawn. Crowley's OTO membership came years later. Reuss insisted that A.'.A.'. and OTO have no functional connection of preferment or control. Even in the 1920's Constitutions of the Order of Thelemites, short lived as it was, Crowley distinguished OTO from A.'.A.'. very cleanly. >this informal relationship has been the cause of internal order >conflict as loyalists to the previous Caliph (Hymenaeus Alpha, >aka Grady McMurtry) in CA have been placed in the hotseat >concerning their A.'.A.'. affiliations No. There was a bout of over-reaction in some quarters of A.'.A.'. claim that induced difficulties. Owing to that concern, people became alarmed beyond the core of those who imagined the problem. Steps were taken to re-assure and the matter is now largely calmed. The potential for over-reaction continues, but it was from A.'.A.'. claiments, not from OTO. Under H.A., attempts to cooperate with A.'.A.'. may have gone a little too far toward mutual involvment of A.'.A.'. and OTO. Pulling back from that has upset and worried people. Add the administration of the Crowley copyrights on OTO's part, which necessitates some yes or no decisions regarding publication of A.'.A.'. related Crowley texts, and worry can explode into something excessive. >the real problems that A.'.A.'. rivalries are >causing to the integrity and composure of the (c)OTO. Nothing is that simple, but you've put your finger on the preponderant problem. At least composure has had its ruffle. Integrity in the sense of some memberships has had a stormy ride, but that too seems to be calming down. 93 93/93 Bill
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