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To: thelema93-l now @egroups.com From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nigris (333)) Subject: Re: Magical Battles with the OTO (was Advice) 49990728 IVom a correspondent wrote: # ># I'd be obliged if you'd show me the Codes of Conduct # ># for All Magickal Battles.... # # >these are conventions I think are well-known. # # I am ignorant of these well known conventions. # Please hip me up. I was speaking of the conventions observable in descriptions contained in internet discussions on "magical battles" which the author(s) intends to engage, especially to demonstrate their power and/or magical adeptship. I described them previously as not including material instruments of aggression. I also referred to a variety of fictional stories based on supposed historical events such as legends about battling sorcerers, "Moonchild", and any number of fictional stories NOT based on historical events (esp that which pertains to DnD 'magical contests/battles'). if in the "Battle of the Heavyweight Magick Champions" the mage suddenly pulls out a dagger and throws it at the opponent, and this dagger does not have some sort of spell which makes it huge or supersharp or whatever -- it is *just a dagger* -- then this transcends the presumed set of weaponry (from spells to material weapons) and consti- tutes a 'low blow' or 'cheating'. when a knight takes acid or fast-acting poison into the tournament and splashes it at an opponent whose presumption had been that these contests would be circumscribed by a set of conventions that included only tests of edged and pointed weaponry this is more to what I am pointing -- a kind of chivalrous 'battle'. the poison and acid would be better employed in a conflict without such conventions (consider the 'Geneva Convention' as a slightly-related example). while I admit that when an individual asks about just *any* kind of battle, they may be desiring advice on all manner of antagonistic trick, when someone specifies that they want advice about a "magical battle", they usually imply a purely magical struggle. if they'd wanted to know about other types of assault, they would better approach a forum on armed conflict of a material type. I'd compare this to the replies of "go on a diet" and "plastic surgery" when someone asks about how to engage 'glamour magic'. these material techniques completely miss the point of the question and might as well be saying that magic in the style mentioned is 'impossible' or 'effectless'. why not just say that, rather than to pretend the inquirer isn't aware of the conventional means of achieving the same effects in an ORDINARY way? the notion that 'magic(k)' includes material activity by virtue of intention or volition is not an old or popular one, by my measure. typically there is an associative or symbolic *link* established between what would otherwise be considered an unrelated act and the effects desired (sometimes called "sympathetic" and "contageous" magical acts). the symbolism or proximity is what clues one in to the potential magical effect. Crowley's 'every intentional act is a magical act' may be important as a scientific hypothesis in examining the basis of magic, but it is not the conventional understanding of it or what magic includes. thus when we are talking about a 'magical battle', the conventions of significance of the very *words* imply that the struggle is to be undertaken in a dimension quite *aside* from the physical, being that through which the powers or effects of symbolism and contageon may be communicated. to step into a physical battle at the same time is to transcend the presumed context of the struggle. where any codes of combat are concerned, transcending them in order to be 'victorious' is usually considered foul, unsportsmanlike, and reprehensible. blessed beast! nigris (333)
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