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From: Bill Heidrick 
Subject: Re: Fw: OTO
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:00:04


Bozidar Micic  wrote:

>I'm interested what is difference between Franco-Haitian O.T.O. and

If genuine (historically speaking), the only thing they have in common is
OTO charter via Reuss.  The "Franco-Haitian OTO" is from Papus' French OTO
charter.  The OTOA is from Krum-Heller's Spanish-speaking New World OTO
charter.  Bertieux claims connection to both, but apparently does not mean
the same thing by "OTOA" that Krumm-Heller (the first to designate that)
did.  Bertieux's claims in Franco-Haitian OTO appear to be undocumented.

>Tau Alha, Master of Shiva-Set-Saturn Lodge of O.T.O.A.

According to Krumm-Heller's son, Partzifal Krumm-Heller, OTOA never
initiated members and died with Krumm-Heller.  This is born out by similar
information from Peru, Columbia and Bolivia, where survivals of OTOA
tradition have continued, without initiations and without charters.

>Also, what about giving the grades (Memphis/Mitzraim as well as
>Astrum Argentum Q.B.L.H.) through mail?

In my personal opinion, this is impossible for A.'.A.'. in the traditional
and narrow sense, but there are innovative variations on it.  A.'.A.'.
Neophyte and other levels in Crowley's design require face-to-face meetings
for induction by ritual and reading.  M&M charters by Yarker may have been
passed through the mail in the early part of the 20th century, but I do not
know that for a fact.

>I know a person who got
>Memphis/Mitzraim grades from Koenig

I do not believe them to be valid, but that's an opinion with an inadequate

>Astrum Argentum Q.B.L.H. from one
>Gnostic Bishopp from French (Webb line)

That is a matter of an organization using the name of another and different
organization as part of their own name.

>and O.T.O. grades (I think
>Krumm-Heller line, but I'm not sure) from Spain. All of this through mail!

That is impossible, on two counts:

1. OTO grades (called "degrees") are always by physical presence -- except
that Minerval was in Reuss's early days a mail order possibility and
Masonic degree membership could be transferred to OTO degree membership
until about 1920 (possibly without physical presence, but I doubt it).
2. Krumm-Heller did not charter initiates and did not himself initiate into
any OTO degrees.  He had a charter for OTO, but created a Rosicrucian order
and worked the Gnostic Catholic Church.  His OTOA was an associate body.
-- Again, this is based on his son's account.

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Bill Heidrick
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