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To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org
From: Josh Norton 
Subject: Re: SV: CHRIST ON WHEELS
Date: 	Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:11:11 -0400

blackaeon said:
>Personally,  I like the "Melek-Taus" peacock
>devil/angel of the Yezdis.  Now, to as a question. 
>What exactly is Choronzon?  I've heard the name
>mentioned before (especially in Magick Without Tears),
>but I'm still not sure.


Originally, it was a name for Satan (or at least the chief devil of their
myth-system) given to John Dee by his angelic contacts. Crowley conflated
it with the idea of a "dweller on the threshold" standing between man and
the divine, which he seems to have gotten in equal parts from the Golden
Dawn, Blavatsky, and the fiction of Bulwer-Lytton. Magicians since have
attached it to whatever big, scary entities they have encountered.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:42:47 +0100
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From: jake 
Subject: Re: SV: CHRIST ON WHEELS
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In article <3.0.5.32.19990618131111.009743a0@mail.one.net>, Josh Norton
 writes
>
>
>Originally, it was a name for Satan (or at least the chief devil of their
>myth-system) given to John Dee by his angelic contacts. 

I'm not sure about the 'originally' bit: Choronzon appears in Reginald
Scot's 'The Discoverie of Witchcraft' (Bk XV pp 488-489) in a lengthy
quote from an allegedly 'Norwegian' grimoire with no evident Enochian
connections. The legend of the 'fiery mountain' that accompanies this
passage is similar to that on pp 122 of the '4th Book of Cornelius
Agrippa'.


JSK.

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93,

>From what I have read in scattered bits 'n' pieces, I gather that
Choronzon is a nasty critter who dwells in the Abyss.  His nature is
dispersion, and his manifestation is madness.  It is said that those who
attempt crossing the abyss before having their human ego in its proper
place get "torn to pieces", which I interpret as psychologically
shattered, essentially, fragmented to bits like full-blown psychosis.  I
surmise he can be seen as an entity, a symbol, or a buzzword describing
an encapsulated process anthropomorphized into a twisted inverse
archetype of sorts.  Maybe he/it is to some what I tend to term Virus.

It is also said (in The Vision and the Voice, I believe) that the name
of Babalon is Victory over Choronzon.  That particular point has been a
matter of some interest to Me for many years.  I've experienced the
"truth" or "substance" of that notion on several occasions and/or had
"gnostic flashes" of insight, awareness, etc. about it but its essence
remains incommunicable for Me.  I'd like to find a way to objectify it
further.  I could take a stab and make some generic, cliched statement
that Light, Life, Love and Liberty acting with Force and Fire properly
guided by Understanding always defeats dispersion and madness and puts
to silence the chittering inner demons, but there's more to it than
that.  A lot more.

I'll let you know when I've crossed the abyss with ego intact.  *-)

93 93/93
Shedona


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From: jake 
Subject: Re: SV: CHRIST ON WHEELS
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In article <4.1.19980619112412.0096e620@pale.hiMolde.no>, Arild
Stromsvag  writes
>At 15:21 18.06.99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>>I'm not sure about the 'originally' bit: Choronzon appears in Reginald
>>>Scot's 'The Discoverie of Witchcraft' (Bk XV pp 488-489) in a lengthy
>>>quote from an allegedly 'Norwegian' grimoire with no evident Enochian
>
>Does Scot give a title (or other references) to this 'Norwegian grimoire'?
>In my folklore studies I read quite a few of these 'grimoires', but I've
>never come across Choronzon. It *seems* rather unlikely, but you never know....

Dear Bro. Arild,

Scot's anonymous 'improver' ends the chapter in which all this appears
with the words 'This is a compleat form of conjuring the aforesaid
Spirit, according to the rules of Vaganostus the Norwegian', other
alleged Norwegians are mentioned in the text, namely Honduros and his
son Benno, another location is also mentioned several times, Polonia, as
well as the mountain (Hecla) identified as being in Iceland, which I
understand also has/had a strong magical tradition.

BTW the spelling used in this rather curious text is 'Coronzon', most of
the names in the spells accompanying it are quasi-Hebrew, with bits of
Latin chucked in, but most of the spirit names aren't, names like Balkin
and Luridan.

Many of the ritual objects it mentions are quite well known to grimoire
fiends, a sword inscribed AGLA on one side and ON on it's other, and the
'Seals of the Earth'. Much of the material has an authentically Agrippan
cum Solomonic air to it, with colourful additions apparently due to NW
European acclimatisation (or so it claims). 

Coronzon is a major character in this part of the book, mentioned three
times, twice on a Bear skin girdle with this inscription:

+ Alpha + Coronzon, Yah, Taniah, Adonay + Soncas + Damael + Angeli
fortes + pur pur + Elibra, Elohim + Omega + per flammam ignis + per
vitam Coronzon + Amen. +

and once in the ritual script, I shan't quote the entire ritual but
after lots of names said and crosses and a pentagram drawn in the air
(fairly unusual before the GD I think) we get:

'I Exorcise and Conjure, I Invocate and Command thee thou aforesaid
Spirit, by the powers of Angels and Archangels, Cherubim and Seraphim,
by the mighty price Coronzon, by the blood of Abel, by the righteousness
of Seth, and the prayers of Noah, by the Voyces of Thunder and dreadful
day of Judgement; by all these powerful and royal words abovesaid...'
etc.

following this is a section I can't resist recounting: before the spirit
Balkin appears we will apparently see an innumerable company of 'Dwarfs
or Pigmies' mounted on Chameleons march up and surround the circle, then
'Balkin  with his Attendants; he will appear like the god Bacchus upon a
little Goat, and the rest that follow him afoot'.

hope this helps, if not it's at least entertaining and curious.
JSK.

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