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To: alt.magick From: heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) Subject: Re: To Mr Heidrick Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:24:49 GMT Richard@93-9630-0-0.gryn.org (Richard) writes: >This copy is not unsubstantiated. It is on my desk as I type. It is >inscribed: "To Fra. Scire P.I. > from (that fancy cross symbol) Baphomet > X (degree symbol) O.T.O. > on his affiliation" >The edition is from March 21, 1938, issued by the Church of Thelema 1003 S. >Orange Grove Ave. Pasadena, Calif. Very good! That pretty much limits the time question, although not absolutely. The Liber AL edition itself was done by W.T.Smith from the HQ of Agape Lodge in So.Calif, before Crowley reputiated the CofT as a legal vehicle for OTO in the States. This brings us to a most probable first contact between Crowley and Gardner on or after mid 1938 e.v., possibly not after c. 1944 e.v., since A.C. was pretty upset with Smith and CofT by then. All we have from this is a possible, but not definite, earliest point of contact. Still, it refines the range a bit. Crowley might have sent Gardner the copy on or near the date of publication, having contact with Gardner much earlier. A.C. may have provided the copy much later, having a copy to hand when Gardner visited or wrote. The next step in research here would be to find out the providence of this item -- how did it get where you found it and where was Gardner living when he got it? 93 93/93 Bill Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!well!heidrick From: heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.necromicon,alt.magick,alt.divination Subject: Re: Paul Huson/_Mastering Witchcraft_ (Was Re: Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:14:42 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <46ivt2$bp@nkosi.well.com> References: <464d2s$oqi@cocoa.brown.edu> <46gnfj$qet@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: well.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.pagan:127249 alt.necromicon:2022 alt.magick:55731 alt.divination:5738 dhf3@aol.com (DHF3) writes: >To >Fra Scire P.I. >from Baphomet >X* O.T.O. >And below the words "THE BOOK OF THE LAW": >on his affiliation >So, what do y'all make of that? >Don Frew About 95% likelyhood of Gardner getting it in May of 1947 e.v., at least the inscription. -- from the "P.I." part. Martin Starr noted to me that the publication date is in error (printer/compositor's oversight) and that this edition did not exist before 1942 e.v. It turns out to be no evidence pro or con on Gardner knowing or corresponding with Crowley before that date. 93 93/93 Bill Heidrick
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