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Order Pretentions and Claims

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From: (xiwangmu)
Subject: Order Pretentions and Claims (Was Re: New O.T.O. founded!)
Date: 1 May 1996 13:19:24 -0700

49960501 (cc'd to Thelema93-L)
Do as you please

my fraternal brother, (William Behun) wrote
the following in response to the Jason/Bill bash:

B Heidrick ( (writing about what I could not tell):
|>| distorted and contrary to fact.  This is simply an example of people
|>| failing to recognize their own will(s), 

Jason Lambdin  wrote:
|>Oh, everybody fall to your knees and thank God that Bill knows everyone's 
|>Will.  How utterly pretentious and authoritarian can you get?

by itself, this is beauteous.  it illumines a disputation of the facts 
(Bill being able to ride his own authority regarding the Order there) 
and calls into question the notion of determining when another can 
determine someone's ('true') will, which Frater Heidrick appears to 
imply (he's done so before this I think)

But Frater Ad Dexteram (Behun) chimes in and so I shall do my best to 
oppose him and defend the younger stranger from his harshness 
(:> Revolutionary is a fun role):

Frater Ad Dexteram:
|How utterly pretentious and authoritarian can you get?  

I do not see the pretentiousness here.  How is it, my brother, that Bill
or any other may determine what is the will of another?  Are there sure-
fire tests or common guidelines?  Perhaps a lesson is in order?

|How about founding an organisation and claiming all sorts of lineages 
|for it just because one cannot work within a system where one is not 
|in total control, 

Preposterous!  This was the method of the sages of old!  Look to
this EVIL publication, laying claim to connections with grandiose 
and pretentious, mystical, wisdom-gifting societies of extraordinary
status, and connections to information and knowledge quite beyond
its abilities to obtain except in regards imaginative deception.

It spoke of itself as:


...a body of initiates in whose hands are concentrated the wisdom
and the knowledge of the following bodies:

	The Gnostic Catholic Church
	The Order of the Knights of the Holy Ghost
	The Order of the Illuminati
	The Order of the Temple (Knights Templar)
	The Order of the Knights of St. John
	The Order of the Knights of Malta
	The Order of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre
	The Hidden Church of the Holy Graal
	The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light
	The Holy Order of the Rose Croix of Heredom
	The Order of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch
	The Antient and Primitive Rite of Masonry (33 degrees)
	The Rite of Memphis (97 degrees)
	The Rite of Mizraim (90 degrees)
	The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry (33 degrees)
	The Swedenborgian Rite of Masonry
	The Order of the Martinists
	The Order of the Sat Bhai
	and many others of equal merit, if of less fame....

It does not include the A.'.A.'., with which august body it is,
however, in close alliance.

It does not in any way infringe the just privileges of duly
authorized Masonic Bodies.

2. The dispersion of the original secret wisdom having led to
confusion it was determined by the Chiefs of all these Orders
to recombine and centralize their activities, even as white
light, divided in a prism, may be recomposed.

It embodies the whole of the secret knowledge of the Oriental
Orders; and its chiefs are initiates of the highest rank, and
recognized as such by all capable of such recognition in every
country in the world.

In more remote times, the constituent originating assemblies
of the O.T.O. included such men as:

Fohi				Hippolytus
Laotze				Merlin
Siddartha			Arthur
Krishna				Titurel
Tahuti				Amfortas
Ankh-f-n-khonsu			Percivale
Herakles			Mosheh
Orpheus				Odysseus
Vergilius			Mohammed
Catullus			Hermes
Martialis			Pan
Apollonius Tyanaeus		Dante
Simon Magus			Carolus Magnus
Manes				William of Schyren
Basilides			Frederick of Hohenstaufen
Valentinus			Roger Bacon
Bardesanes			Jacobus Burgundus Molensis
King Wu				Ko Hsuen
Christian Rosenkruetz		Osiris
Ulrich von Hutten 		Melchizedek
Paracelsus			Khem
Michael Maier			Menthu
Jakob Boehme			Johannes Dee
Francis Bacon			Sir Edward Kelly
Andrea				Thos. Vaughan
Robertus de Fluctibus		Elias Ashmole
Chau				Comte de Chazal
Saturnus			Sigismund Bacstrom
Dionysus			Molinos

	And recently:

Wolfgang von Goethe		Friedrich Nietzsche
Sir Richard Payne Knight	Hargrave Jennings
Sir Richard Francis Burton	Karl Kellner 
Forlong Dux			Eliphas Levi
Ludovicus Rex Bavariae		Franz Hartmann
Richard Wagner			Cardinal Rompolla
Ludwig von Fischer		  Papus (Dr. Encausse)

The names of women members are never divulged.

It is not lawful here to disclose the name of any living chief.

It was Karl Kellner who revived the exoteric organization of the
O.T.O. and initiated the plan now happily complete of bringing all
occult bodies again under one governance.

The letters O.T.O. represent the words Ordo Templi Orientis (Order
of the Temple of the Orient, or Oriental Templars), but they have
also a secret meaning for initiates.

3. The Order is international, and has existing branches in every
civilized country of the world.

4. The aims of the O.T.O. can only be understood fully by its
highest initiates; but it may be said openly that it teaches
Hermetic Science or Occult Knowledge, the Pure and Holy Magick of
Light, the Secrets of Mystic attainment, Yoga of all forms, Gnana
Yoga, Raja Yoga, Bhakta Yoga and Hatha Yoga, and all other branches
of the secret Wisdom of the Ancients.

In its bosom repose the Great Mysteries; its brain has resolved all
the problems of philosophy and of life.

It possesses the secret of the Stone of the Wise, of the Elixir of
Immortality, and of the Universal Medicine.

Moreover, it possesses a Secret capable of realizing the world-old
dream of the Brotherhood of Man."

_Liber LII: Manifesto of the O.T.O._, by L. Bathurst IX'; found 
 in _Equinox III:10_, Edited by the Caliph of US OTO, Rex Summus
 Sanctissimus, Frater Superior, Hymenaeus Beta; Samuel Weiser, 
 1990; pp.153-5.

Frater Superior noted: "The *Manifesto* provides a concise summary of 
the various threads of initiatic tradition that make up the O.T.O.  It was 
first published from Boleskine *circa* 1912 E.V., and reprinted in *The 
Equinox* III(1)(Detroit: Universal, 1919). - H.B."

I cannot understand why you might castigate people for associating fantasy
with their history.  It has been a predominant feature in most cultural
affairs (esp. occult and religious) for the bulk of human existence, and
may have very important personal and societal functions.

|and then ripping off another group's name and claiming the first group 
|in invalid?  I think that takes the cake, personally.

Ever heard of the Argentina Ashram (AA)? 
The Order of the Sliver Star (SS)?
The Order of the Rosy and Crux(RC)? 
The Order of the Gelded Dog (GD)?

Ever examined the history of the usage of these ordernames?  
Of your *own* Order? (I haven't except tangentally).  
Perhaps we might coordinate on this (contact me privately if you've interest).

|93 93/93, because after all, the Law is for All.

E6/6/6, casting the Law upon the ground and trampling it like it deserves,
        because love is the law, free love, right now!

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