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Hermetic Magick and Chaos Magick

To: alt.magick.tyagi
From: trendbrain insuffferabl (tyagi nagasiva)
Subject: Re: Hermetic Magick and Chaos Magick
Date: 9 Jan 1995 12:36:40 GMT

Quoting: |Shawn Clayton Knight 

[re buttfucking]

|... conception of the XI' OTO, a very small portion of the OTO indeed 
|(I am led to believe, in fact, that there are no XI' members of OTO 
|right now.)

there are two aspects to these teachings; 1 organizational and structural,
in which those who take up authorized offices within the Order are given
specific instruction in particular techniques to achieve specific states
of consciousness in relation to certain types of sexuality; 2 esoteric
consciousness states to which one may aspire in many different ways, in
which case 'XI OTO' may imply something with a different name in another
system and may be taught/achieved without ever becoming intiated by the
formal OTO (any)

|(2) "Nothing is True - Everything is Permitted" can rapidly degenerate
|into a banal excuse for misuse of everything from language to USENET.

excuses are only necessary when some impertinent twit attempts to bring
judgement to bear

|(The same is admittedly true of "Do what thou wilt", but the latter at
|least has a typically constrained interpretation viz. the definitions
|of True Will.)

your interpretation of DWTW and TW are zealous and fanatical.
see the Master Therion's commentary on the interpretation of these.

|...I am increasingly wondering just what exactly a Chaos Magician is if 
|not a mage who wants nothing to do with Order and Orders.

Chaos mages are not attached to Orders either positively or negatively.
we utilize them for our purposes and then discard them like yesterday's
trash.  social authority may prove important for the purpose of achieving
a longer-term goal, but it is not an end in itself for the Chaos mage.

|See, to me, an Order implies hierarchy, rules, strict codes and
|initiations, etc.  

this isn't necessarily the case.  many esoteric concepts are capitalized
to give them added emphasize and demonstrate their depth of usage.  the
term 'Order' is no exception, and it displays a profound ability to both
represent social organizations and the very tao or metapattern of the kosmos

|Fair enough, but I'd prefer "Non-traditional Magick" or
|"Individualized Magick Techniques" or something.  "Chaos" evokes Chaos
|Math and Chaos Science too strongly, or else Magick done for the
|purpose of increasing entropy.

only for those who have bought the silly meaning of 'Chaos' (Gleikian)

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