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To: alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick
From: "Fr. A.o.C."
Subject: Re: Initiation (OSOGD)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:20:18 GMT
SwAmI wrote:
> Would you mind helping me to understand it then?
Sure, but this is the last time. After this you're on your own, because
to go any further is futile. You've already made up your mind, so I will
stop confusing you with the facts.
III,51: With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon
the cross.
III,52: I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
III,53: With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the
Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
"Peck at the eyes of Jesus", etc. is a criticism of organized
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Yes, RHK is not being nice.
Frankly, I don't think you've studied much at all of comparative
religion, any more than you've studied Thelema. Most religious writing
is filled with criticism of other religions. Many religions and most
sects begin as reform movements, criticizing, sometimes in very strong
terms, the others. Buddhism is no exception. Neither is Christianity,
which came "not to bring peace, but a Sword."
As I've said repeatedly, you are taking the passages out of context.
Even after I explain the context to you, you continue to take it out of
context in exactly the same way, and argue from the same position that
has already been disposed of. Here it is one more time in simple words:
in Liber AL, "Jesus" is not an emblem of initiation or of an Aspirant
but of a failed religious and political system. I do not see in Jesus or
his teaching any religion I would want in my house. Frankly I doubt it
has any of the 'light' attributed to it anymore (if it ever really did,
especially after Saul of Tarsus got ahold of it), save that fell corona
shared by Evil.
You are confusing a creed with the 'ineffable light', the same thing
that killed what ever good was once in Christianity. Creeds are a
technique of brainwashing, whether Christian, Islamic, Hindu or
Buddhist. So, our Lord of Liberation tears at the eyes of Jesus as he
hangs upon the cross and flaps his wings in the face of Mohammed in
criticism of their WORLD-VIEW, and tears at the flesh of the Hindu,
Buddhist, Mongol and Din in criticism of their RELATIONSHIP TO THE BODY
(Yes, Buddhists were included on RHK's "hit list" -- happy now?) Or at
least this is one way to read it -- the Comment you so scrupulously
follow says that each person must interpret the Book "each for himself".
Being Polytheist, we may admit of a plurality of interpretations. Being
Post-Modern, we can understand that there is no choice but a plurality
of meanings.
If you still don't get it, then you should go back and study what has
already been said.
Since you claim to have read our 0=0 ritual and 'found' Christian
symbolism in it, perhaps you may have also noticed that our oaths do not
contain any admonition to give "reverence" to any religion at all. We
seek True Will, it's guise is irrelevant. The guide to correct behavior
is the True Will, as revealed by one's own Divine Genius. Since I/we are
not monotheists, and therefore don't have a creed that says what we are,
there is no need to admonish our Aspirants. They will take the Good and
True where ever they find it. Only those hamstrung by a monotheistic
tradition would need the admonition to look beyond its petty boundaries.
Therefore this entire argument is moot, but I thought I'd indulge you,
on the off chance you were actually sincere in wanting to learn
something, and for the sake of any third party who might be taken in by
your 'arguments'.
My poor faith has been dashed, but I promise not to get too upset about
it. Meanwhile, you can congratulate yourself on your cleverness at
whipping up specious, time wasting arguments. Since you proclaimed that
you have no desire to learn or study anything for fear of "more bullshit
to get cluttered in my head", I don't see why I should bother any further.
And no, I don't care if you care that you look silly. That was for
anyone else listening who might have been silly enough you seriously.
If Liber AL made you "ill", then by all means you should stay far away
from it. It has that effect on the weak, the timid and the slaves. Heck,
it had that effect on Crowley at first too, Buddhist that he was. Save
yourself the anguish. Don't worry. Be happy.
- Fr. A.o.C.
An English judge, growing weary of the barrister's long-winded
summation, leaned over the bench and remarked, "I've heard your
arguments, Sir Geoffrey, and I am none the wiser!" Sir Geoffrey
responded, "That may be, Milord, but at least you're better informed!"
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