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From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nigris (333)) Subject: Cult vs Thelema (was Copyright and AC Texts...) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:56:38 -0800 (PST) 49991125 IVom Kennethmas a correspondent wrote: # The first thing people ask me when the WORD [Thelema] slips from # my tongue is "Is it a cult?" (Implying that if "yes it is a cult" # it ought to be stopped smashed destroyed and otherwise killed # immediately.).... Crowleyanity is a cult, Thelema transcends linguistic, behavioral, and socio-economic forms. you can tell Crowleyanity by the fact that it shrouds itself in a particular dogma (e.g. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" and many others), considers items associated with the man as holy relics or scriptures (e.g. 'The Holy Books'), regards certain ceremonies as essential to the practice of the Thelemite (e.g. Resh, Will, the Gnostic Mass, among others), and succumbs to the adulation of an immature fool and bigot as a saint and more (e.g. "prophet of the New Aeon"). Thelema, like Satanism which it inspires, cannot be contained by cultural contexts, is demonstrated through personal and specific acts and attitudes undefinable and unrestricted, and manifests more prominently OUTSIDE the cults which may lay claim to its presence. Crowleyanity is opposed by all Thelemites as an enslaving and maniacal travesty. as the Beast is taken more and more as an idol he is rejected by the sincerely virtuous and willful. as a cult, it is prudent to repudiate and oppose its prevalence except as a choice of extremes available to the free, along with so many other fundamentalist and fanatic religious groups. the problem with "smashing cults" is that there is absolutely no way to firmly and resolutely separate levels of organic cultural movements into 'bad' and 'good' by label, rather than reacting to their behaviors and the dogmas they instruct and require. the (C)OTO does not require belief in any particular idea or principle. if one can with integrity undergo its initiatory membership admission, then obedience to civil law and adherence to rational interpretations of its oaths combined with moderate annual dues are typically all that is required for a continued amiable relationship. those who tell you much differently (I may be missing some minor point) may be a part of the cult of Crowleyanity which intersects with this order, and should be questioned thoroughly and made known to the rest of membership so its constitution is clear where their authority is unchallenged. # I cannot see how the current actions of the various OTO's do # anything but further this trend. to what actions of each OTO do you refer? surely the (C)OTO has taken many actions which set the trend in motion and perpetuate it. this can be explained as a transitional attempt to ground the Current into human consciousness for all time as a rabid fascination which may have the capacity to inspire the true will. whether the dangers of inspiring cultism are worth potential attendant liberation many religions can and will answer decidedly in the affirmative. but what of the others of which you speak? I know little of their cult-inspiring activities beyond the writings of some of the contestants (e.g. Grant, Motta). are they inspiring some cult or another? what are the characteristics of these? # ...there are more Thelemites than OTO. (C)OTO (and the rest of them for that matter) is merely an organization. it may no more be identified with Thelema as I understand it than the Roman Catholic Church ought be identified with Christianity or the Church of Satan with Satanism. the most which can be said is that an overt and modern religious movement has been inspired by and continues to be overlapping with these organizations, each having their own virtues and problems. to identify the orgs with the movements or the ideals is to aggrandize them in a biased and unworthy manner, since their sociological and idealistic aspects transcend the orgs which contributed to their fruition. to presume that "OTO member" equates to "Thelemite" is to disregard clear evidence that, except for the most crude and least valuable interpretation of the latter ('Thelemite' equals 'member of the religious cult of "Thelema"'), this is in many cases completely untrue. # If the actions of the OTO are placing restrictions upon the # rights of [wo]man, then the outcome is inevitable: And if # the high and mighty among the various orders are truly as # magickally high and mighty as their titles give claim to, # then they well know the outcome! taking titles seriously, we judge the book by the cover. far better to peer behind the title to look at the person and hir actions. failing this, we are prone to rumour- mongering, backbiting, and the host of follies rampant amidst the immature Herd. cleave to the tried and true, reflect direct experience, and we'll all benefit. # Perhaps the copyright issue could be wholely cleared up # by summoning up Aiwass... HE is afterall the ACTUAL author, # Crowley merely transcribed the Law.. or do we not believe # that? [At least for Liber AL] I don't think that any other person than Aleister Crowley is being discussed as the author of any of these works, since he was the physical body originating the text. the text in question has varied from the Evul Book to essays considered "secret" and in some cases "sacred". many of us, and I dare say MOST Thelemites, do not consider any of Crowley's works to be of value or to be representative of any kind of 'Law', and the belief rampant within the cult of Crowleyanity that it somehow constitutes the host of examples of the "New Aeon" is woeful evidence to the contrary (belief being but another example of its slavery to the conceptual utterances of a favoured author). # Anyone up for the job, personally I'll take "praeter-human", # human or animal.. as long as its "intelligent" and can shed # some light on the darkness I see before me.... any shackle is restrictive. accepting the raiments of the cult does not demonstrate liberation, it just confirms the paucity of the source which inspires it. every new Crowleyan cult generated confirms the folly and potent error of the man's expression. every individual standing free of the Herd in strength and ability who has in some way been provided means in reflection of the man's product is a testimony to his Thelemic inspiration. arguing whether some prophet is of a particular species is like disputing with theologians regarding the combined spatial requirements of dancing spirits. it is of little or no relevance to the activity of and reflection on interaction with them and the repercussions of this interaction. blessed beast! ______________________________________________________________________ (333) nagasiva@luckymojo.com; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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