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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.mythology,talk.religion.buddhism,alt.zen
From: xiwangmu
Subject: Re: God, Tao and Zen
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:05:21 GMT
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alexandrbeetle@aol.com (Messiah):
> ...where God and spirituality fits in with Tao and Zen?....
very general questions, as previous, and these indicate that you are
newly approaching the subject. this is exciting! the New Mind,
apprehending the cosmos! don't lose the Edge. ;>
in this question you have begun as I suggested with the cosmology,
asking about "God", which is quite important to Westerners but has
a less important (Huang Ti, Celestial Emperor, sometimes called 'God'
by outsiders, but probably not seen the same way by Taoists or by
general Chinese religious) or even inconsequential role (Brahma, the
Creator god, set the whole thing in motion and now has very little
to do with any of our puny affairs, being a created being as well)
to some Taoists and Buddhists.
your secondary question about "spirituality" is *much* better, in
that you begin to ask about human experience, what commonalities may
link religions, and how religious cultures compare to one another as
well as to the whole field. the easiest route for you may be to take
what you *know* about spirituality and see if there are any others
who have similar feelings, ask in comparison to what you know about,
see how the religious of various cultures deal with the same things.
spiritual expression varies across the globe. the experience that it
inspires or that accompanies it seems to be comparable. some describe
it as 'ecstatic'. the messiness and folk-origins of Taoism will at
times upset the literati and 'philosophical Taoists' who eshew the
religious side of the Taoist religious tradition (however fragmented
by a number of years of Communist opposition). don't let this dissuade
you from asking questions and looking for more. "Tao of Pooh" and
Lao Tzu are all well and good, but there is a wealth of mysticoreligious
worship and magic that also identifies as Taoist which should not be
overlooked, even if it is castigated and smeared by those who oppose it.
key terms for Taoist religion of which I'm aware:
chang tao-lin, ko hung, celestial masters, taoist canon,
taoist magic, talismans, hsi wang mu, kitchen god, jade emperor,
eight immortals, nu kwa, fu hsi, yellow emperor, culture heroes
and even 'fox spirits'!
key terms for Taoist philosophy of which I'm aware:
lao tzu, tao te ching, chuang tzu, liu tzu, hermits, unnamed tao,
the sage, wu-wei, non-action, p'u, uncarved block, uselessness
though it seems (still) to me that the discernment between these two
"streams" is an error. ;>
xiwangmu
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