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Sidhe?

To: alt.mythology,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca
From: Patrick Brown 
Subject: Re: Sidhe?
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:36:45 -0800

In article <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net>, nagasiva@luckymojo.com (Anu)
wrote:

> josiekush@aol.com (Josie Kush):
> > The Sidhe were the classic "elves" correct?

> conflation of cultures, methinks.
>   "sidhe" -- fairy folk of Western Europe
>   "elves": "alf" Northern European
> these have been combined in folk and popular tales deriving
> FROM these sources (such as in Tolkien and those whom he
> influenced).

The sidhe are specifically Irish. The word "sidhe" originally meant the
megalithic burial mounds that dot Ireland, like Newgrange, which
predates the arrival of the Celts by several thousand years. They were
considered to be the home of the Tuatha De Danann or "Peoples of the
Goddess Danu/Dana", the Irish gods, who with the arrival of
Christianity were demoted to fairies. The term used was "aes sidhe",
the people of the mounds, or "sidhe" could be used on its own.

I imagine elves are roughly the English equivalent, but I don't know
enough about the word to say for certain.

Patrick

> > if you could tell me the names of some myth collections about
> > them i would be most interested.  Thank you!

Stories of the Tuatha De Danann on the web include:

 The Wooing of Etain - http://www.ficom.net/members/ditch/etain.htm

 The Second Battle of Mag Tured -
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dc920/tured.html

My website, The Ulster Cycle - http://irelandnow.com/ulstercycle - , is
mostly concerned with Irish heroic tales, but does include a few
stories concerning the Tuatha De and the hills they lived in, for
example The Adventure of Nera and Oengus's Dream.

Patrick


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From: sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk (Alexander Maclennan)
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Subject: Re: Sidhe?
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Patrick Brown  wrote:

> The sidhe are specifically Irish. The word "sidhe" originally meant the
> megalithic burial mounds that dot Ireland, like Newgrange, which
> predates the arrival of the Celts by several thousand years.

Not strictly accurate.   The sidhe live on both sides of the Irish Sea and
probably elsewhere as well.   My own immediate forebears are buried in
Tomnahurich where Thomas the Rhymer reputedly ended up and where the odd
fiddler has disappeared for a hundred years or so.  What with the dancing
and feasting the time slips by very fast.

--  

Alexander MacLennan  sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk

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In article <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net>, spam@luckymojo.com wrote:
> josiekush@aol.com (Josie Kush):
> > The Sidhe were the classic "elves" correct?  
> 
> conflation of cultures, methinks.
> 
>   "sidhe" -- fairy folk of Western Europe
>   "elves": "alf" Northern European
> 

> > if you could tell me the names of some myth collections about 
> > them i would be most interested.  Thank you!


_An Encyclopedia of Fairies_ by Katharine Briggs has entries on 
both the Sidhe and Elves. 


-kim

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