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To: alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.tantra,alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna From: catherine yronwodeSubject: Sheila-na-Gig and the "lucky vulva" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:16:51 -0800 Here is a query from e-mail, posted to the sacredlandscape-list (and to three relevant newsgroups, alt.lucky.w, alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna, and alt.magick.tantra) in hope of generating more comments from people who may have further or better informtion. > re sheila-na-gig. what do you know about her? a real celtic heresy > would make her mary -- ergo jesus' mom. never knew a gal like-a little Sheila her name drives me insane (Tommy Roe, circa 1959) Sheila is a goddess in her own right and i really don't think she is Mary. For one thing, she is never shown with a child.In some ways she has more in common with the Hindu goddess Kali, but a happy Kali, a "cute" little Kali -- if such a thing were possible. The Sheila-na-Gig is always shown as a bony and thin woman with pipe-stem arms and legs and very large-eyes, a neotenic hag of sorts, who either exposes and points to or holds open her enormously oversized vulva, while smiling a goofy grin. She has an impromptu "Kilroy Was Here" look about her. She appears mostly in medieval Irish churches as a bas relief, invariably positioned beside or above a doorway. Lots of speculation surrounds the symbolism of Sheila's iconography: Some have thought that because she is so bony, she is a famine goddess and thus her vulva is a grave -=- but that doesn't hold up too well when you gaze upon her pleasantly cheerful face. The usual explanation for her position at a doorway is that just as the door is a passage into or out of a building, so is Sheila's vulva a passage into the world or perhaps the bony grave is a passage out. I know of no neolithic or "ancient goddess" counterparts to Sheila in Ireland. However, it has been speculated that some of the bas reliefs of Sheila-na-Gig found in medieval churches are of far earlier manufacture, and i have read (and can see from photos) that some are made from different stone than that used for the churches themselves. It is also speculated that the images still left of her are all that remain of many more, ripped down and broken by church officials who frowned on her. I recall reading somewhere that the 17th through 19th century saw widespread destruction of her image and at least two Sheilana-Gigs were taken out of churches in the 19th century but saved and have been set back in place in recent years in order to satisfy the tourist trade. To the priests who hated her, the really galling part of the Sheila-na-Gig image is that since she is always on or over a doorway, pious church-goers lovingly rub her vulva "for luck" as they enter the church. There is not very much "Christian" in that. I look forward to further comments and corrections regarding this goddess, her image and iconography, her "luckiness," and her role in medieval Irish church architecture. catherine yronwode Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html Freemasonry for Women: http://www.luckymojo.com/CoMasonry.html check out news:alt.lucky.w for folk magic and good luck charms Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!news.pagesat.net!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: catherine yronwode Newsgroups: alt.lucky.w,alt,magick.tantra,alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna Subject: Vesica and Vulva, Iku and Apsu Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:53:59 -0800 Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. Lines: 204 Message-ID: <35122099.6D55@luckymojo.com> References: <328.116.51@intuition.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: d140.pm4.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: sacredlandscape@intuition.org Xref: Supernews70 alt.lucky.w:2280 alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna:1126 Having just vetured forth with a note about the sacred vulva of the irish Sheila-na-Gig, i was pleasantly surprised to see a message from Pam Giese and then a post from Dan Washburn... In order, then: Pam wrote: > I'd never heard about rubbing the Sheila-na-gig for good luck, but > fits in with the more openess of female sexuality in Celtic myth and > literature. I have read several mentions of rubbing the vulva for luck, and was told the same by a British friend whose first wife was named Sheila. What i failed to mention (and this is where there is a little tie-in to Dan's message -- the vulva of the Sheils-na-Gig is usually (not always) a vesica pisces, not an anatomically-correct vulva. > In the Wisconsin State Capitol building (a wonderful masonic structure > with badgers sticking out of the cardinal points, astrological symbols > in the hallways, and nymphs cavorting with the founding fathers) there > is a life-size statue of Artemis (Diana?). Please, please tell us more about this building! Who designed it? When? What style is it (Neo-Grec, Beaux Arts, Deco?). It sounds like a cool site. Any pictures on the web? I love the part about "badgers sticking out of the cardinal points"!!! Our non-U.S. list-members may need to know that the badger is the Wisconsin state animal, to get the full glory of the nuttiness of this image. (Do you have totemic regional animals in Great Britain like, say, the grizzly bear in California or the alligator in Florida?) > Her exposed breast is always shiny with tourists rubbing her for luck? > or just copping a feel? (does it matter?) > > I wonder how many other examples there are of female sexual luck > symbols. They are few female sexual luck symbols compared to male (phallic) luck symbols. If you go to my other web site, the Lucky W Amulet Archive and type in the word "penis" into the search engine, you will come up with a veritable cornucopia of lucky lingas. But the keyword "vulva" will yield far fewer hits. There are several reasons for this, as far as i can determine: 1) goddess worship is ancient and has, within the past few thousand years, gone out of style in favour of phallus worship. 2) female sexuality is often represented by the entire torso (especially the pregnant torso) not just the vulva because to many people the female's fertility is considred more awe-inspiring than her mostly internal contractve orgasms, while the seed-shooting phallus certainly commands attention and respect from all who watch it. Conversely, according to this symbolic frame of reference, the male torso is, while certainly beautiful beyond comapre, not the dwelling place of mystery. 3) the complexities of the vulval structure, with its folds and its curves and its idiosyncratic draping of the labia, are not as easily reduced to simple symbolic ideograms as are the penis and testicles. If too much simplification is achieved -- as in the downward-pointing triangle of the Hindus -- the juicy image of the real cunt is lost and the thing becomes pure geometry. As such it may appeal to certain rarified architectural types, but it will not command the attention of the masses. If you abstract the form too far but keep the curves, you may end up with a lucky horseshoe, but eventually half the folks who nail one over their door will not realize that it is a vulva. (Side note: In Ireland and parts of Britain, they up-end the horseshoe, "so that the luck won't run out," attenuating further its visual link to the vulva and attributing the luck to a sky-god who pours it into the upturned vulva-cup. In most of Europe, however, the horseshoe is displayed in the normal, downward-facing or vulval position, so that "the luck will pour onto on you," the luck obviously emating from the vulva itself.) Then, turning to the vesica pisces, Dan Washburn wrote: > > Barry Carroll wrote: > > > > what these books suggest in common is that the catherdral floorplans > > are developed from a square and expanded out using shapes based on > > the root rectangles 2,3 & 5. > > > > the square can be formed by two vesicas lying across each other > > with the inscribed square connecting the points of intersection (i > > need a scanner!).tho this is not the only method. The axis of these > > two are in turn established by the shadows cast from a post at sun- > > up and sundown on the saints day the church is dedicated to. I'm not sure i follow this, Barry. I believe that no matter what day of the year, you will get a true east-west and north-south right angle cross from the intersection of the vesicas laid out as described using consecutive sunrise and sunset shadows. The way the saint's day figures into these plans, as i understand it, is usually in terms of marking the angle of the first rays of sunrise (and/or last rays of sunset) on the saint's day relative to the true east-west axis, once that has been established. This is often expressed as a supplementary window or door in which the depth and angle of the stonework frame "ponts to" the direction from which the beam of light will come, directing it upon an image (of the saint) within the sanctuary. In some cases, the orientation of the entire structure may be skewed so that the walls of the building follow the line of the saint's day rising sun angle relative to east-west; that is, the wall "points to" the place on the horizon where the sun will rise on that day. But such entirely skewed layouts seems to have been more common in small, rustic chruches than in cathedrals. You once sent me an article on some of these, from the Balkans, or Greece or a place of that degree of remoteness from the centers of Europena catherdral building, remember? > > as a true temple its form needs to be linked to the cosmos. > > (Babylonians might call the square that results from all this, an > > IKU. for anyone who knows that concept) likewise these churches Barry refers here to some of the material in "Hamlet's Mill" by Santillana and von Deschend on the "heavenly iku" (equaivalent to our word "acre") of the Pegasus Square (a constellation), which was thought by the ancient people of the middle east to be connected by a sort of cosmic pipline to an underworld sea called the apsu (equivalent to our word "abyss") and to thus pass through the iku-square temple. Fresh water in the sky flowed from the heavenly iku down to the apsu, where it mixed with salt (fallen stars) and created the briney depths. All three forms -- the iku, the temple, and the apsu, were squares (or cubes). The temple of Marduk, in particular was said to be one iku (one local "acre") in size and the length of its walls were the official state measure for determining the size of grain fields and pastures. > > the division of elements in the vertical demension however appear > > governed by harmonic intervals such as may be found in the musical > > scale > > Funny, but I had been meditating recently on the two vesicas laid > across one another. > > John Michell has an illutration in his Dimensions of Paradise (p72) > showing the two vesicas one vertical and one horizontal. This is a > method for squaring the circle, for bringing the earth and the heavens > together. The square formed by connecting the four points of > intersection has approximately the same perimeter as the circle drawn > touching the centers of the four arcs. Michell says that it is the > traditional diagram for the foundation of Temples in India. (I > believe he is citing Mayananda, The Wonder Beyond) I am not sure who Michell cited, but the same material -- and a foolproof method of construction using only sticks and string -- can be found in Tony Lawlor's recent (and highly recommeneded) book "The Temple in the Home." Lawlor demonstrates the Hindu method, which uses vesica-based geometry and takes sightings at any sequential pair of sunrises and sunsets, to establish both due east and west and also to create the central square for the fire-altar around which the temple is constructed. > My flash of insight on this is that it is Shiva-Shakti, pure > consciousness coming together with the pure creative power of bliss. Sigh. > The horizontal vesica with the circle in the center is the image of an > eye, of pure receptive self-aware consciousness. The vertical vesica > with the circle in the center is the image of a vulva, the pure female > power of creation in ecstatsy, pain, and birth, bringing forth a baby > that represents the whole universe. This is an interesting notion. Have you noticed, too, that in some Hindu reprentations of the "third eye" on a god or goddess, it is drwan as a vesica, vertically oriented? > The way to build the sacred space of the temple is to cultivate the > two powers within ourselves. In meditation we watch the contents of > mind come and go, leading to the realization that we are pure > consciousness, beyond any identification. This is the way of > attention and detachment. Bliss arises in the body, refined it is the > ecstacy of love and devotion. This is the way of mystical union. > > The path forward is to refine and balance the two within ourselves. > When bliss threatens to overwhelm, retreat into pure consciousness. > When pure consciousness is too cold, kindle the fire of bliss. The > two are one. > > The void that radiates is the real void. Well said. It is this union of consciousness and bliss, of Shiva and Shakti, or the two vesicas that define a square and square a circle, that make the building of a temple so much more than a mere plan for piling up stonework. I know this originated on the scaredlandscape-list, but as with my previous post, i am crossing this over into alt.lucky.w (discussion of good luck iconography), alt,magick.tantra (sacred sex), and alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna (the group's title says it all). catherine yronwode Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html Freemasonry for Women: http://www.luckymojo.com/CoMasonry.html Comics Warehouse: http://www.luckymojo.com/comicswarehouse.html check out news:alt.lucky.w for folk magic and good luck charms
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