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Satan, Worship, Service, and Depiction

To: alt.religion.gnostic,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
From: Kater Moggin 
Subject: Re: Satan, Worship, Service, and Depiction
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:55:23 GMT (SOD of the CoE):

> my read of Pagels (particularly recall of
> "Gnostic Gospels" and recent refresh of "The Origin of Satan")
> indicates that the Gnostics are more likely to *depart* from
> any kind of God-Satan dualism in favour of something more
> comprehensive, even dyadic 

     Gnosticism is very dualistic, although certain schools are
better described by Kurt Rudolph's phrase "dualism on a
monistic background."  But it's God versus the Creator, not the
Creator vs. Satan.

> this is especially true of, say,  the Valentinians, in *The Gospel 
> of Phillip*. 

     Dualities found in the Valentinian school include illusion 
vs. reality, ignorance vs. knowledge, deficiency vs. 
completion, corruption versus incorruptibility, finitude versus
infinity, falsehood versus truth, time vs. eternity, 
transience vs. permanence, and probably a couple of others I've

> I'm curious, which of the gospels feature Lucifer and how is he described?

     None in the NHL.  If you want to find Satan and Lucifer in
gnosticism, you oughta move to medieval gnostics like the 
Cathars and Bogomils, where the Devil is is identified with the
Creator of this world.

-- Moggin

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From: Kater Moggin 
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>> ...the Nag Hammadi Library ....
> there are mentions by name of 'Satan'? I've never heard
> that, plus that's some kind of Gnostic scripture-set, no?

     The Nag Hammadi Library is a set of ancient writings, some 
gnostic and some not, that were found in a cave in Egypt in 
1945.  Satan is rarely mentioned by name (only two, maybe three 
times), and never positively.

-- Moggin

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From: Kater Moggin 
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> The Gnostic corpus of Satan doesn't really mention Satan, though
> Lucifer gets his fair share as the brother of Jesus.  

     What "Gnostic corpus of Satan"?  Y'all were discussing the 
Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of ancient texts -- some 
gnostic, others not -- discovered in Egypt in 1945.  Satan gets
mentioned a few times, Lucifer not at all.

> Robert M. Grant, University of Chicago Professor Emeritus, believes
> that the account of Irenaeus may be Gnostic

     I doubt Grant believes anything that ridiculous.  Irenaeus 
was a heresy-hunter:  one of the Church Dads who devoted 
himself to _combating_ the gnostics.  From his angle, they were
dangerous kooks.

-- Moggin

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