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To: alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism,talk.religion.buddhism From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Subject: Satanic Ideals (was Re: Satanism Defined) Date: 28 Mar 1997 11:15:31 -0800 49970328 AA1 Hail Satan! INVICTUS: >> Here´s an article that has most interesting >> all-around definitions about Satanism, Devil Worshipping etc. >> *If* any of you have creative comments about this writ, >> please comment, since I believe it to be one of the >> most accurate definitions written by a non-Satanist. 'definition' is what is given to the dead or the fictional. ideals can be valuable inasmuch as they show us through contrast directions we have to grow. beyond this they are fairly useless as parameters of 'perfection'. "Carlo" : >The "type" of Satanist almost always omitted is nearly invisible, and may >be about the only genuine type. Have you ever met anyone who besides being >perhaps physically beautiful (male or female) is also highly intelligent, >sexual, well off, and emits a strong sense of personal power? The kind of >person who seems to have it all? Charmed. Always, they will be oblivious to >the term "Satanist" or such. They are realists, practical, and never have >interests in occult or theistic matters. Finally, they are supremely free >and joyous in their indulgence, innocent as children to mores and >strictures. Also having no guilt or shame to speak of. Things just seem to >go right for them. We may even hate them for this. LaVey and others have addressed these types. they are 'de facto' Satanists, since we would categorize them as such but they would not understand themselves in this way. few are without troubles as your text seems to imply, though it is often comforting to imagine an ideal icon. >Such people are chosen. Perhaps genetically. The rest are wanna-bes. The >Satanic issue may be a foreshadowing of our common genetic future. One in >which the malfunctions of today which make social morals, guilt, laws and >other restrictions unnecessary. As always, Life has the avant garde to push >the envelope. They are ahead of their time. we all have the potential to live this way, and that's why your latter comment about vilifying and misunderstanding them makes sense. it is difficult to be around the mature at times unless they are concealed. it places into contrast our inadequacies and variations from the ideal. >The rest of us either vilify or misunderstand them, as history clearly >shows. More often than not, we simply don't see the genuine article >because of the subtle and internal nature of the mutation. >Comments? I doubt some of your characteristics are truly necessary. first off, it doesn't matter whether or not this ideal is involved with Satanism or occult things. some are, some aren't. I suspect that the 'realism' of which you speak is better identified as 'groundedness': a connection to the material world in a direct way. it is possible to be adept at magical or mystical exploits and retain this connection. if the person is invisible it is because they are naturally so or have learned that invisibility is important in the carrying out of their will. 'beauty' is a socially-defined norm of human standards which breaks down when analyzed, reaffirmed as physical health and well-being (this latter may be seen and is a 'natural beauty' which is more important to experience and far less trouble than conforming to the visible social style). unfortunately only the socially-affirmed and those who have got the point of not caring how they appear tend to reach this state. 'intelligence' is usually over-rated, being restricted to intellectual acumen, when open-mindedness and curiosity naturally arise from those who enjoy learning. there are many types of intelligence, and 'IQ tests' only evaluation a bare fraction of this quality. sexuality is the option of the liberated, though some will pursue the course of less intimacy on account of other interests. the real quality to which you point here is being COMFORTABLE with their bodies, and with physical intimacy, ecstasy, and the various smelly, gooey things that these include. 'wealth' is a function of relation to resources. the way to measure this is likely best done in reflection of free time, and this again is another SUBJECTIVE standard. those who have massive amounts of cash may be slaves to it. those with little may be incredibly free and wealthy. personal power is a reflection of assurance and confidence, some of which has already been mentioned above (comfort with body, mind, etc.), and yet it also describes a kind of skill where socialization is concerned. in general you are describing a person who is well-developed, mature, and able to comfortably utilize a variety of personal and social skills. an understanding (whether or not it is conscious) of the flows and ebbs of natural energies is also the quality of the mature. this leads to circumstances which appear 'charmed' to the uninitiated. innocence and freedom from guilt and shame describe an individual who has somehow wended live's travails with the result being equanimity (NOT as children, but with what zen masters call 'beginners' mind' -- an open wonder and joy which reflects present-centeredness and the ability to abandon an otherwise valuable critical skepticism). >Things just seem to go right for them. We may even hate them for this. resentment builds in those who judge themselves based in comparison with those around them. this is especially true when an individual appears not to be suffering the difficulties normally associated with standard life circumstances. they appear to 'float above the pain' or 'walk through unscathed', and we don't see that their nonattached attitude ("this too shall pass") avails them of a freedom that those who obsess over condition may never obtain. blessed beast! tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nocTifer -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to author ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cucaracha Humana * * *
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