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To: alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc From: tyagi@veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (nocTifer) Subject: (Z) CoS/ToS History/Gossip (was CoS Elist...) Date: 29 Nov 1997 14:26:22 -0500 49971129 aa2 Hail Satan! (Xposted between Satanist-L and Zazas) nocTifer re examining the material power of the CoSatanist priesthood: #> I'd think this would be a way to discern how far Anton's stories about #> changing the clergy requirements to force Aquino out really went (I #> admire it, even if it was just a ruse). a Satanist-L subscriber asked me to explain this in more depth: sure. I'd thought it was fairly common knowledge, but I've taken some time to review the various feuding materials betwixt CoSatanists and ToSsers. I hope to be corrected if I have it awrongly understood. it seems that the vision of the goals and authority-standard of the CoS was not made clear from the onset. people did what they wilt and as suited their particular interest, until it became evident that many of those joining the org were interested in a kind of esoteric coffee-clatch pyramid-scheme a la the Golden Dawn or some other masonic framework. this apparently did *not* sit well with Anton, especially seeing that it was drawing attention away from the central church participants (him, whoever else) and contributed toward a plane of interaction and authority (intellectual) which he did not find valuable. a good deal of time was being spent discussing and assimilating information researched or developed by the priesthood engaged in this activity (notably Aquino and some others, numbers disputed by the two rivals) and I'm guessing that rudimentary doctrines were being tested out at the time -- something important to the pyramid-scheme but not controlled or directed by the High Priest (LaVey). in order to squelch this offensiveness in the bud, so to speak, Anton decreed that the priesthood would be based not on any sort of esoteric assimilation, but upon material influence in the world or material contributions to the church (again, the story seems to vary). there were specific articles in the Cloven Hoof which could be quoted if I had them in my library or had retained ASCII copies through the various technical calamities to strike the Haus computer files. in any case, the intent seems to have been to 'ground' the CoS in material bases of authority, and this was characterized by the rebel priests as 'selling the priesthood'. I'm not aware that this assertion was ever directly refuted. it was this that catalyzed the exodus of the priests of CoS. they would later form the ToS after Aquino's _Book of Coming Forth By Night_ was penned. the point I was therefore trying to make above was about the interpreta- tion that the priesthood would be based on material influence and power in the world (which is, I think, the original association). if this criteria was actually used, then it should result, over a period of years, in a growing number of priests who wielded material power, and we should be able to measure the church's success and integrity by locating the priesthood and evaluating how much worldly power they commanded. of course this is based on *interest*. it would require that those who had such power were actually interested in being members of the CoS. why they would want to become members (compare this to the masons) is still not clear, and we will find that those who are at least initially drawn to be members that are given priesthood positions are initially more likely to be those who seek ephemeral 'Bad Boy' status to add to their celebrity, such as musical entertainers. this is precisely what has been happening (King Diamond, Marilyn Manson, Boyd Rice?, etc.). it could be said that this is a mark in *favor* of the policy of the church, since it may be preliminary to breaking into more substantive power circles (geniuses and artists sometimes become members of weird groups, and some of these go on to become powerful people in the world, dragging the weirdness into influential spheres). it is therefore of valuable when asking 'WHO GAINS?', given this policy, to look at the material power of the present priesthood. this will tell us how closely Anton's vision is being implemented and whether the church as a whole is ascending in social and material influence. if it was merely a ruse to get Aquino and the transphysical esotericists out of the CoS, then the policy will have not been implemented and the org will remain controlled by cronies and splinter into further factions based on internal feuds and disagreements as it ages. blessed beast! ________________________________________________________________________ nocTifer: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --- http://www.abyss.com/tokus TOKUS-COE Office: 408/2-666-SLUG --- Mother Church (CoE) coe@netcom.com ____________...oooOOO---zazas-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe zazas-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe zazas-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven
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