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To: moonowl@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Sherry Michael) From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (Lorax) Subject: Re: (For Sherry) Responses to Lesson 1 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 12:29:45 -0800 (PST) Kali Yuga 49950121 > > Of this I have no doubt. My concern has always been with the purity of > > the Neopagan tradition, which I see is fast eroding away on the heels of > > popularized generalities. > > So what would you tell them? How can I give them a change to disagree > with the generalities if they are unaware of them? What would I tell them? I guess I'd pass on generalizations which seem true, like 'Wicca is not uniform as regards doctrine or mythos and what I'm telling you is some commonalities', and then 'Reincarnation is a favored concept among Wiccans' or 'Wiccans often have a strong distaste for Christian ideas'. There could be followups as regards why all these are the way they are and lead to some very interesting sociological discussion. How can you give them a chance to disagree with the generalities? I'm sure that if they have any exposure to Wicca they've heard them (and thus you may be reinforcing them slightly). If they haven't, then they're likely going to be quiet and accept what you say as true, which is slightly dangerous. If nobody who has experience speaks up and says 'Um, that ain't my experience of Wicca', then a student may get a somewhat skewed vision of the subject, short-term. Unfortunately, people have short attention-spans. That means that if much instruction is done this way, the bulk of those educated in Wicca will 'take' the bit about 'what Wiccans believe' most strongly, while the less emphasized bits regarding breadth of mind and tolerance of practice will be lost in the haze. I've also noticed that most Americans (could be Euros too) have a distinct bias toward defining religious traditions on the basis of intellectual positions. Reinforcing this may do more harm than good, especially if the follow-through doesn't totally curb the notion when it comes to the Craft. I won't say more on it unless you ask. I'm really trying not to overstep my bounds and yet I have strong feelings about this. I wasn't raised with the value of doctrine and I see it as one of the most prevalent problems in religious conflict throughout the world. > > Understood. I'm one of them. > > But you response to questions I give to the students is, "I don't need to > think about this, I all ready know". The questions are for people who > have never thought about these concepts to know if they agree/disagree. Um, I hope that I can be better at expressing myself in the future. I wish to give the impression that I favor NOT-knowing, uncertainty, lack of assumption, and general confusion. I think that these are beneficial states from which to operate and may be the core of what most today call 'spirituality'. I think that what you must be referring to is the response to the question about exploring reincarnation. 1) it presumes we haven't explored; 2) I took it on the heels of other questions as sort of persuasion to believe it is true, kinda like when a Christian Fundi asks me 'have you ever tried believing in God?' 3) I was probably already peeved about the notion that Wiccans believe in reincarnation, especially without the background that the concept may originally be foreign to most Western religion (as contrasted with metempsychosis, which appears to be the Greek 'transmigra- tion of souls' and is arguably of different character). (caution, I'm no scholar in this area and am treading on brittle ground) > > > As the course progresses the dogma disappears as they develop. > > > > An interesting method. I'll try to keep up. > > In art classes they teach you how to hold the paintbrush and certain > strokes. Later, as far as the teachers care, you can paint with your > toes. However, they want you to know the traditional basics first, so you > know WHY you may want to paint with your toes. That explains my reaction. ;> Whenever instructed in this way I tend to immediately place the brush between my toes, cheeks and up my nose to see what neat things I can do. Could be I'm an incurable rebel. Could be I learn best by doing. Could be that is one reason I like to become a first timer again, so that you can teach me my limitations again and again. Thanks. > I'm sorry if I took your comments the wrong way. You certainly took them more seriously than I meant them! Treat me like a grouchy old person who has a hard time with new ways of learning and loves to criticize until he sees that this isn't being appreciated. ;> > I shall answer you questions that you sent later on. Ok, great, thanks! > I'd quess I'm a tad touchy. :) We are just strong personalities with need for coalesce, methinks. > Please continue with your methods, I shall adjust. That is very kind of you. I'll temper slightly so that you can hear me more easily. Also, I'm likely to begin focussing more on constructive inquiry (I am good at that, but sometimes barrage with Qs and so it comes to the same). Perhaps a stray Q here and there regarding statements being made in discussion will do. Also, when I send you something, do you usually relay it to others and not to me, or is there some reason that I'm not seeing my posts? I was just curious. Thanks for your patience. ;> Lorax
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