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To: silverchalice@hollyfeld.org From: VMYL54F@prodigy.com (GUEST PASS) Subject: Re: Mass and the single girl Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:22:11, -0500 Dear Renfield: Technically the trasformation, transubstantiation, consecration of the host and wine, thereby transforming it into the Body and Blood of Christ, is a miracle. It is not dependant on the priest being in good graces with God. The priest acts "In persona Christi", the act is not a personal act but what is called "actio Christi" an action of Christ and is more of a gateway and representative for the Holy Spirit to come down and God to transform the host and wine. In fact Christ is considered the eternal priest and sacrifce, and so all priest follow him in that sense. The priest is what is called the "causa instrumentalis" or instrument in the hands of Christ. The priest must trigger this but it is not the priest per se, the priest is the tool of God so to speak and even if that tool becomes twisted etc. it still may allow the power of God to flow through to his people in the Mass. A large crowd has nothing to do with with charging etc. as our belief system indicates God is the one consecrating as the priest is persona Christi, God is actually doing it. One answer for why we gather in community is that we are a celebrating people and the Mass is a celebration. There is much scripture about worship however. Indeed we are all part of the Mystical Body of Christ so as we worship together and pray together and for one another, including the Communion of Saints which is yes the deceased praying for us but never seperated from that Mystical Body which is all of us, and for which the priest is the shepherd. We are not indeliably marked by the Power of God coming down upon us as part of a Sacrament, the Sacrament of Holy Orders. A summary of Vatican Teachings states: "Priests are members of the People of God who are ordained to the priesthood, dedicated to serving the community. The priestly annointing forms the priest after Christ the Priest and enables him to administer God's mysteries." Currently the Roman Catholic Church will not allow female priests, or priestesses as some would call them and while there are some scriptural reasons there are practical reasons as well, but on this ground I am shaky, so please dont leap out of the word work about it, because I am unsure. The authority to do these things is through direct Apostolic Succession meaning the unbroken passing down of authority from Jesus to his Apostles to Bishops who pass it on to new bishops and priests. Concering the actual blood and body of Christ, it is considered to have the essence of that reality, not actually turn into blood and flesh to the visible eye. Somewhat like the fact many believe in auras or other things unseen. Part of the Nicene Creed of the Church is "belief in things seen and unseen. "What is a Priest?", our august Bishop Stockums says: "Nihil et omnia - nothing of himself, but everything through God." Cordially, Doc Fox If God is the reason for everything, is there anything more important than the reason for everything? ____________...oooOOO---silverchalice@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo...______________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe silverchalice' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe silverchalice' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven
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