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To: alt.magick From: Gnomedplume@aol.com (Gnome d Plume) Subject: Re: Savedow and K/Qabalah Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:08:31 GMT On 12 Apr 2002 23:59:37 -0700, bloodofenoch@goddamnfruit.com (Andralphus) wrote: >First of all, although I don't want to step into the heated exchanges >between Gnome and BhP, I do want to say this: > >Whatever theoretical overlay he may give it, the blame for Savedow's >Goetic workings turning out like fictional events from B-grade horror >movies and 80's metal videos (or actual[?] events from Kenneth Grant >workings) can be blamed on no one but Steve Savedow. Maybe some >collateral responsibility to b-grade horror movie and 80's metal video >producers and Kenneth Grant. But it's basically Savedow's own fault, >and not Jewish Kabbalah's. > >Second of all - hmm, nevermind, I'll post that later. > >Best, > >A very tired Andrealphus *****Actually I pretty much agree with you even though I respect Steve's work and his scholarship. You get what you go for in such operations. As we have established, he was using a late and corrupted Hebrew "kabbalistic" version of the klippothic lowerarchy that is primarily used in the Hermetic (Magical) Qabalah. The Hermetic Qabalah has more leeway for "rebellious spirits" than this "cess pool" klippoth Waite describes in *The Holy Kabbalah.* However, the question still remains (hopefully without slurs and emotionalism) should we practitioners of the magical Hermetic Qabalah (Gentile and Jewish) seek our Goetic spirits in our admittedly nasty klippoth, or in the ten sephiroth of Yesod (the lower reaches of Yetzirah). In this case I think my original position is valid. If a few magicians using an orthodox rabbinical system of QBL want to fish for Ashtaroth in their earlier, nicer klippoth, I hope they do better than Steve. ****** Gnome d Plume
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