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To: alt.magick From: catherine yronwodeSubject: Re: Hermetic QBL (Supported) (was Parpola Discovered! ....) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:55:42 GMT Gnome d Plume wrote: > > mefistof13@aol.comnospam (Mephistopheles) wrote: > > >Gnome d Plume wrote: > > > >> As we have pointed out before, the rabbinical kabbalah is not > >> "magical" and it was considered heretical to use it for such > >> purposes. > > > > That is actually rather debatable. ;-) I have met rebbies selling > > spells, cabalistic talismans, etc., mostly Sephardim, I might add. > > You are right on (as usual). The magick is in Sephardic > kabbalah. Which is just as Rabbinic as Ashkenazy kabbalah. Note for non-Jews: Sephardic Jews are those who, upon leaving their homeland after the Roman destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, lived in North Africa, Spain and Portuagal. They were expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1496 in an act of "ethnic cleansing." Some then settled in North Africa and Egypt and others moved up into other parts of Europe where they joined up with the Ashlkenazy Jews. Ashkenazy Jews are those who, upon leaving their homeland after the Roman destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, migrated through Greece, Turkey, the Balkans, Russia, and Poland or, alternatively, through Greece, Italy, Austria, Germany, France, the Low Countries, and England. The Pyrenees Mountains marks the division between Sephardic and Askenazy Jews in Westerbn Erope. One major distinction between the Sephardic jews and Ashkenazy Jews is that the latter never adopted pidgin or creolized German as a common daily language, while the latter did. This pidin or creolized German language spoken by the Ashkenazy Jews is called Yiddish (from the German word Judishe or Jewish). However, Gnome's contention that only Sephardic rabbinical kabbalaists utilized magic and that Ashkenazy rabbinical kabbalaists did not use magic is not true. ALL Jews used magic through the Middle Ages at least -- and many still do, of course. See the lengthy bibliography i posted ("Magic & Kabbalah") -- where you will find many intruguing articles listed. Here's one that sounds quite promising (and note the publication in which it appeared): Wolfson, Eliot R., 'Magic from Late Antiquity to the Middle Ages', The Review of Rabbinic Judaism, 4 (2001), pp. 78-120. In short, the practical (magical) kabbalah is a strong aspect of Jewish tradition. cat yronwode
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