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Pagan Kabbalah

To: alt.magick
From: Re OšStat 
Subject: Re: Pagan Kabbalah
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:55:24 GMT

In article ,
 tracym@pipeline.com (tracy) wrote:

> Gnomedplume@aol.com (Gnome d Plume) wrote in message 
> news:<3c1122eb.32078543@trialnews.peoplepc.com>...
> > On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 00:14:47 GMT, catherine yronwode
> >  wrote:
> I am going to propose an analogy here that may make sense to you:
> > >
> > >We all know that the trumnpet, the saxophone, and the clarinet were
> > >European band instruments, originating in Europe, by Europeans, and
> > >designed for Europeans to play their culturally stylized music -- and we
> > >all know that jazz music originated in the African-American community.
> > >Anyone who claimed that jazz "originated in Europe" would be laughed at.
> > >Anyone who claimed that jazz needs to be "rectified" by European
> > >performers would be laughed at. 
> 
> Actually, the African Americans who invented jazz had European-type
> musical training.  (I've seen a really nice long documentary about it).  It
> was influenced both by European music and by the "honkey tonk"  music
> of the day.

Uh, I think you need to check out more than a "nice long documentary" on 
the subject. Perhaps you should look into some ethnomusicology books?

Jazz began when the musicians playing dirges during funeral processions 
went into the church and started to kick up their heels. It was a 
blending of the African pentatonic melodies (which resulted in the 
"blues" tones or flatted 3rd and 7th which are not quite the same as 
those on a keyboard) and the simplistic European rhythms (in Africa, 
complex polyrhythms were common).

Most of the people involved in the creation of Jazz did not have much, 
if any, European training. However they did try to copy the rhythms 
which they heard at concerts and in the church.





> 
> > >This name -- KABBALAH -- is something that the non-Jews want very badly
> > >to possess. In my life and through my reading, i have seen dozens of
> > >non-Jews create all manner of non-Jewish numero-linguistic
> > >correspondence schemes and mystical emanation systems in the service of
> > >all manner of non-Jewish gods -- but they all insisted on using the word
> > >KABBALAH to describe what they did. 
> 
> 
> eerrrr....I'm inclined to think who owns the word is not the important
> thing, but rather what people do with the system.
> 
> Tracy
> (the "catching up" one)

I would agree.  People can call their inventions "Kabbalah" or 
"Macaroni" for all I care.

However, it is also interesting, if nothing else, to determine why 
people would need to invent something and then use a term which refers 
to something else to describe their neo-system.

Is it because they are so insecure they think nobody will listen to them 
if they use a new, more appropriate name?

Is it because they have a hunger for followers and know that "Kabbalah" 
is a popular catch term and if they use it they can get groupies?

Is it because they are just stupid and don't know any better?

I would point out that some of the originators of Chaos Magick have 
specifically chosen to not use an old term or set of terms to describe 
what they are doing. On the other hand, one group, playing on the 
interest in both Crowley and the G.D., describes itself with terms 
associated with both systems. This is, of course, a non sequitur as 
Crowley (in his description of the A.A.) claims that what he does 
supersedes the G.D.

Re

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