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To: alt.magick.serious,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick From: axialthrust@yahoo.com (BhP) Subject: Re: OT: Jewish History: Slavery in Egypt (was Anti-anti....) Date: 17 Apr 2002 15:30:28 -0700 "Cosmic Busboy"wrote > "Daya Li" wrote in message > > Did you ever stop to think, that the enslavement of the Israelites more > > a metaphysical enslavement? > > Is that what you think most people are claiming? I don't know what "most people" are claiming, but that is the interpretation that my family passed down from generation to generation. > And was this metaphysical enslavement in Egypt? How was > it in Egypt? Metaphysically? If I remember correctly, the hebrew word for Egypt (Mitzrayim) also means limitation, boundary/bounded or something similar. Freed from Egypt meant freed from bondage. This significant fact got lost in the english translations of hebrew documents. For more information, consult a Talmudic Hebrew-English dictionary. > The Jews were metaphysically in > Egypt? Or merely metaphysically > enslaved by Egyptians while actually > physically residing elsewhere? Oh dear! Egypt, metaphysically, means spiritual bondage, represented physically as the slavery endured by the Jews. Just like "Jerusalem" in hebrew religious texts often represents a metaphysical holy land rather than a physical place. For example, at the end of every passover seder, when the participants say "Next year in Jerusalem!", we are not saying "I hope next year we celebrate passover in the city called Jerusalem". We are saying, "This time next year, may we all be living in the holy land of peace." (Or something to that extent.) Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!HSNX.atgi.net!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: axialthrust@yahoo.com (BhP) Newsgroups: alt.magick.serious,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick Subject: Re: OT: Jewish History: Slavery in Egypt (was Anti-anti....) Date: 18 Apr 2002 11:30:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <361f09a8.0204181030.28af86d6@posting.google.com> References: <3CB49A7C.653A@luckymojo.com> <10cff505.0204110517.1ea5e9be@posting.google.com> <38wt8.15771$44.100044@typhoon.sonic.net> <3cbc2ce2$1_1@news.teranews.com> <361f09a8.0204171430.1f406706@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.129.24.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019154629 22434 127.0.0.1 (18 Apr 2002 18:30:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 18:30:29 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.serious:21500 alt.magick.tyagi:32343 alt.magick:297684 thee_process23@yahoo.com (J. A.) wrote > But answer me this. When it says to the jew, kill and torture the > [numerous races]in exodus - is this also metaphysical? Of course. > how does one kill metaphysically? By refusing to partake in or perpetuate the paradigm that one is trying to "kill". By changing one's behavior, beliefs, internal programming. By altering the self. > Why would anyone be worried about a slavery which > is not a slavery? Non-physical slavery is still slavery, thus people are worried about it. Physical freedom means little when one is spiritually or mentally enslaved. Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: axialthrust@yahoo.com (BhP) Newsgroups: alt.magick.serious,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick Subject: Re: OT: Jewish History: Slavery in Egypt (was Anti-anti....) Date: 19 Apr 2002 11:26:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 48 Message-ID: <361f09a8.0204191026.725c8762@posting.google.com> References: <38wt8.15771$44.100044@typhoon.sonic.net> <3cbc2ce2$1_1@news.teranews.com> <361f09a8.0204171430.1f406706@posting.google.com> <361f09a8.0204181030.28af86d6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.129.24.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1019240808 2015 127.0.0.1 (19 Apr 2002 18:26:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Apr 2002 18:26:48 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.serious:21512 alt.magick.tyagi:32357 alt.magick:297766 thee_process23@yahoo.com (J. A.) wrote > > Listen, in grade-school I learned to read, and when I saw the word > 'sword' and 'take up' and 'slay' or 'kill' there was no question of > misinterpreting. When you make it to high school you'll learn that not every word has only a literal meaning. This is not just a Jewish phenomena. For example, from a quick Google search on "metaphor, bible": http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/acte/pmb/glossary/metaphor.htm metaphor (From Greek "carrying across") In metaphoric language the comparison being made between one thing and another is not made explicit. Rather something is talked about as if it were something else: "Oh, you pig!" Biblical Hebrew usage does not seem to make a strong distinction between metaphor and simile. Though the lesser precision of what part of the meaning is being transferred may give metaphor greater power over the imagination. While the meanings of: "I have gone astray like a lost sheep" (Ps 119:176) is fairly straightforward, to imagine what it means to be "the sheep of his pasture" (Ps 100:3) engages our imagination and different readers will give differing content to the image. http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/2corinthians/2corinthians2.htm 2 Corinthians Chapter 2 Verse 14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ and manifests through us the odor of the knowledge of him in every place. (9) 9 [14b-16a] The odor of the knowledge of him: incense was commonly used in triumphal processions. The metaphor suggests the gradual diffusion of the knowledge of God through the apostolic preaching. The aroma of Christ: the image shifts from the fragrance Paul diffuses to the aroma that he is. Paul is probably thinking of the "sweet odor" of the sacrifices in the Old Testament (e.g., Genesis 8:21; Exodus 29:18) and perhaps of the metaphor of wisdom as a sweet odor (Sirach 24:15). Death . . . life: the aroma of Christ that comes to them through Paul is perceived differently by various classes of people. To some his preaching and his life (cf 1 Cor 1:17-2:6) are perceived as death, and the effect is death for them; others perceive him, despite appearances, as life, and the effect is life for them. This fragrance thus produces a separation and a judgment (cf the function of the "light" in John's gospel).
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