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To: alt.magick
From: "John Corey" 
Subject: Re: Fate's Knight's Comments on Chassidus
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:28:23 GMT

I have no idea where you got this idea (see below), but it's simply not true
and rather typical of the hearsay and disinformation that passes for fact on
lists such as this. (e.g, see Mr. Mephistopheles's laughably naive comments
on Sabbatai Zevi.)

There are a number of Orthodox-Jewish Rabbis who gladly teach Chassidus and
Kabbalah to Gentiles, both on and off the internet. One of them is a
prominent Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, R. Yossi Markel, who invites non-Jews
as well as Jews to receive his online lectures on Chassidic Kabbalah. He can
be reached at moshiach@pgh.nauticom.net

Another place where Gentiles are invited (in fact, encouraged) to learn
authentic Jewish Kabbalah and Chassidus is from Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain at
Donmeh West, which can be subscribed to at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DONMEH_WEST. It's focus, however, is less on
Chassidus and more on Neo-Sabbatian Kabbalah as developed by Rabbi Nathan of
Gaza (17th century) from the 16th century writings of R. Isaac Luria to
explain the mystical Ma'asim Zarim ("Strange Actions') of Avatar Sabbatai
Zevi, including his "conversion" to Islam, which Nathan witnessed and
interpreted first hand as a "descent into the Palace of Samael" to retrieve
the Holy Sparks that had fallen there at the cataclysm of creation and
reunite them with their source so that "The Lord will be One and his name
One." (Zechariah 14:9)

Readers who are interested in learning more than the unenducated opinions of
amateur Jews about Sabbatai Zevi can read, among other scholarly works,
Prof. Gershom Scholem's monumental work (1,000 pages), "Sabbatai Sevi: The
Mystical Messiah" published by Princeton University Press in which he
concludes, "Was it not a great opportunity missed, rather than a big lie? A
victory of the hostile powers, rather than the collapse of a vain thing?"
(ibid, p. 929)

But of course, what are the opinions of Gershom Scholem worth compared to
those of someone like Mr. "Mephistopheles."

John Corey

"Fate's Knight"  wrote:

> Another key facet about the Chassidim is that they will not discuss
> anything of a vaguely mystical nature with goyim. This isn't racism as it
> is so much privatism or, in the words of the Italians, sonna cosa nostra
> (these are our affairs).
>
> >
> >
> > cat yronwode
> > The Esoteric Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html
>
> Fate's Knight
> --
> "Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic."
> "Mine is much more advanced."
> --Buffy and Xander "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
>
>
>



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I have no idea where Fate's Knight got the idea that Rabbis will not teach
Kabbalah and Chassidus to Gentiles, but it's simply not true and rather
typical of the belief, opinion, hearsay and disinformation that passes for
fact on news groups such as this. (e.g, see Mr. Mephistopheles's laughably
naive comments on Sabbatai Zevi.)

There are a number of Orthodox  Rabbis who gladly teach Chassidus and
Kabbalah to Gentiles, both on and off the internet. One of them is a
prominent Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, R. Yossi Markel, who invites non-Jews
as well as Jews to receive his online lectures on Chassidic Kabbalah. He can
be reached at moshiach@pgh.nauticom.net

Another place where Gentiles are invited (in fact, encouraged) to learn
authentic Jewish Kabbalah and Chassidus is from Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain at
Donmeh West, which can be subscribed to at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DONMEH_WEST. It's focus, however, is less on
Chassidus and more on Neo-Sabbatian Kabbalah as developed by Rabbi Nathan of
Gaza (17th century) from the 16th century writings of R. Isaac Luria to
explain the mystical Ma'asim Zarim ("Strange Actions') of Avatar Sabbatai
Zevi, including his "conversion" to Islam, which Nathan witnessed and
interpreted first hand as a "descent into the Palace of Samael" to retrieve
the Holy Sparks that had fallen there at the cataclysm of creation and
reunite them with their source so that "The Lord will be One and his name
One." (Zechariah 14:9)

Readers who are interested in learning more than the uneducated opinions of
amateur Jews about Sabbatai Zevi can read, among other scholarly works,
Prof. Gershom Scholem's monumental study (1,000 pages), "Sabbatai Sevi: The
Mystical Messiah" published by Princeton University Press in which he
concludes about the Sabbatian advent, "Was it not a great opportunity
missed, rather than a big lie? A victory of the hostile powers, rather than
the collapse of a vain thing?" (ibid, p. 929)

But of course, what are the opinions of Gershom Scholem worth compared to
those of a scholar like "Mephistopheles."

John Corey

"Fate's Knight"  wrote:

> Another key facet about the Chassidim is that they will not discuss
> anything of a vaguely mystical nature with goyim. This isn't racism as it
> is so much privatism or, in the words of the Italians, sonna cosa nostra
> (these are our affairs).
>
> >
> >
> > cat yronwode
> > The Esoteric Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html
>
> Fate's Knight
> --
> "Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic."
> "Mine is much more advanced."
> --Buffy and Xander "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
>
>
>