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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.sufi,alt.islam.sufism,talk.religion.misc From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (haramullah) Subject: Shariah and Morality Date: 12 Jan 1999 12:41:39 -0800 49981029 IIIom assalam alaykum, my kin. "Lobster": # A rare flower indeed. One that asks a question rather than # knowing the answer. or one that answers without knowing (my aim). uncited: #> ...what if someone does something really awful [i.e. murder #> of an innocent] what should the action be taken? Should #> not the man be reprimanded? the question pivots on two fulcrums: what should the surrounding society and any system of justice do? what should the person who commited the violation do? the surrounding society should act according to the prevailing law with consistency and without overdue vengeance. it should ascertain clearly who was responsible for the violation and mete out the repercussion without bias to those responsible. the person who acts in such a way should face squarely and with the greatest intensity possible the full significance of their action. they should come to know as closely as is respectable the nature and person of the individual whom they have wronged, contemplate deeply what it means to kill, to violate another, and understand this violation as having been done as much to *them* and their kindred on account of the unity of all life in the face of the Most Compassionate. should this person, having thus reflected, feel moved to make reparations, pronouncements as to the value of their action, then let them set forth with all speed to carry out these for the benefit of their soul and the restitution of their community. #> Is that my ego talking perhaps? to judge an action as Wrong or Right is not our place, but instead the place of the Most Compassionate, the Final Judge. we enter into egotism when we decide for the whole the value and perfection of a particular act. take for instance the instruction provided to Mosheh by the Green Man, that his slaying of one provided protection for another. these mysteries are beyond our mortal intellect, subject to the proper censure of the community, and are only the province of Allah to render absolution in any capacity. "Lobster" : #> I wonder if your Beloved Teachers interpretation would #> have been different if he would have been a Lesbian? it is impossible, provided the usual significance of the term "Lesbian", for this individual to have been male. if you merely mean 'is it after all acceptable to murder those who engage in condemned sexual activity?', I would have provided the exact same response to you: I oppose all violation of every kind. simultaneously I understand that life feeds on life. my values do not admit of the primacy of human species, though I understand the motivation of those who wish to support such a hierarchical system of value. indeed I would suggest that we discover ways to MINIMIZE OUR IMPACT ON ALL OTHER BEINGS, REDUCE OUR RAPACIOUS OVER- REPRODUCTION AND BRUTAL DESTRUCTION OF OUR KINDRED WITH WHOM WE SHARE THIS EDEN ALLAH HAS PROVIDED IN HIR MERCY AND BENEVOLENCE. # Do we follow the essence of God or the interpretation of God? how can I know this? are all of us walking the same course? who knows the mind of Allah? how can we ever be sure of it? # Do we call women equal partners and treat them like dogs? it is a fact that they have been treated like dogs. it is doubly a sorrow that we do not treat dogs well enough that we would welcome such treatment. # all the while quoting Islamic doctrine like a proud peacock? the islamic doctrine is love. # Do we stone the 'wrong doer' and call ourselves 'followers # of the Law'? I cannot know that I completely abide the Shariah. to claim even to have glimpses of the Shariah is to make such a monumental claim as to extend beyond all rationality. it is truly an honorific bestowed by communities upon their ideals, their leaders whom they feel so strongly about that they must speak through praise and the trust of the governed. # Do we work ourselves into a humourless frenzy over blaspemy...? when we are immature and weak, yes, we do. # Being a heretic is not that bad. Just be yourself. this is untrue and confusing. the heretic is the one who intentionally speaks of the value of the alternative to the Shariah, to the islamic doctrine. those who dinimish the perfection of the Law of Love through their rhetoric, those who break with tradition in order to serve their own interests, those who desire to fracture the beauty of the Garden of Roses: these are the heretics whom the Heart of the Most Compassionate must surely work hardest to forgive. peace be with you, haramullah tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com -- tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (emailed replies may be posted); cc me replies; http://www.abyss.com/tokus; http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatSPELLS.html
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