a cache of usenet and other text files pertaining
to occult, mystical, and spiritual subjects.


Religion and Sufism

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.sufi,alt.islam.sufism,alt.religion.gnostic,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage
From: (haramullah)
Subject: Religion and Sufism
Date: 7 Jan 1998 21:27:58 -0800

49970916 aa2

assalam alaykum, my kin. quotes al-Ghazzali:
# "The essence of religion is love. . . . The love of God may be 
# of two kinds.  Some love Him for His bounties, others for His 
# perfect beauty irrespective of bounties.  The former love 
# increases according to bounties received, but the latter love 
# is the direct result of the contemplation of His perfect
# attributes and is constant even in tribulations."
# (This translation by Syed Nawab Ali was published in "Some Moral 
# and Religious Teachings of al-Ghazzali" [Lahore: Muhammad Ashraf], 
# p. 131-148.)
there is much discussion once again about the sovereignty of Islam with
respect to sufism.  it seems we are so many people jumping up and down on
Luna, digging our flags in deeper, still deeper, laying claim.  here
is a portion of text from sources apparently being disputed here: Idries
Shah's relation of Naqshbandi wisdom:

	On Your Religion

	Thoughout the dervish literature you will find us
	saying repeatedly that we are not concerned with
	your religion or even with the lack of it.  How
	can this be reconciled with the fact that believers
	consider themselves the elect?

	Man's refinement is the goal, and the inner
	teaching of all the faiths aims at this.  In order
	to accomplish it, there is always a tradition
	handed down by a living chain of adepts, who select
	candidates to whom to impart this knowledge.

	Among men of all kinds this teaching has been
	handed down.  Because of our dedication to the
	essence, we have, in the Dervish Path, collected
	those people who are less concerned about externals,
	and thus kept pure, in secret, our capacity to
	continue the succession.  In the dogmatic religion
	of the Jews, the Christians, the Zoroastrians, the
	Hindus and literalist Islam this precious thing
	has been lost.

	We return this vital principle to all these
	religions and this is why you will see so many Jews,
	Christians and others among my followers.  The Jews
	say that we are the real Jews, the Christians,

	It is only when you know the Higher Factor that you
	will know the true situation of the present
	religions and of unbelief itself.  And unbelief
	itself is a religion with its own form of belief.

	Ahmad Yasavi
	_The Way of the Sufi_, by Idries Shah, 
	  Arkana Books, 1990; p. 171.

Shah's _The Sufis_ makes some simlar points with respect to the
relationship between religion and sufism.  it is for this reason
that I found it valuable to begin the construction of an agreed
language which could break through the semantical barriers and
allow a suitable consortium of like-minded ecumenism:

peace be with you,

(emailed replies may be posted);; 408/2-666-SLUG
  join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; 
(emailed replies may be posted);; 408/2-666-SLUG
  join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; 

The Arcane Archive is copyright by the authors cited.
Send comments to the Arcane Archivist:

Did you like what you read here? Find it useful?
Then please click on the Paypal Secure Server logo and make a small
donation to the site maintainer for the creation and upkeep of this site.

The ARCANE ARCHIVE is a large domain,
organized into a number of sub-directories,
each dealing with a different branch of
religion, mysticism, occultism, or esoteric knowledge.
Here are the major ARCANE ARCHIVE directories you can visit:
interdisciplinary: geometry, natural proportion, ratio, archaeoastronomy
mysticism: enlightenment, self-realization, trance, meditation, consciousness
occultism: divination, hermeticism, amulets, sigils, magick, witchcraft, spells
religion: buddhism, christianity, hinduism, islam, judaism, taoism, wicca, voodoo
societies and fraternal orders: freemasonry, golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc.


There are thousands of web pages at the ARCANE ARCHIVE. You can use ATOMZ.COM
to search for a single word (like witchcraft, hoodoo, pagan, or magic) or an
exact phrase (like Kwan Yin, golden ratio, or book of shadows):

Search For:
Match:  Any word All words Exact phrase


Southern Spirits: 19th and 20th century accounts of hoodoo, including slave narratives & interviews
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice by cat yronwode: an introduction to African-American rootwork
Lucky W Amulet Archive by cat yronwode: an online museum of worldwide talismans and charms
Sacred Sex: essays and articles on tantra yoga, neo-tantra, karezza, sex magic, and sex worship
Sacred Landscape: essays and articles on archaeoastronomy, sacred architecture, and sacred geometry
Lucky Mojo Forum: practitioners answer queries on conjure; sponsored by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
Herb Magic: illustrated descriptions of magic herbs with free spells, recipes, and an ordering option
Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers: ethical diviners and hoodoo spell-casters
Freemasonry for Women by cat yronwode: a history of mixed-gender Freemasonic lodges
Missionary Independent Spiritual Church: spirit-led, inter-faith, the Smallest Church in the World
Satan Service Org: an archive presenting the theory, practice, and history of Satanism and Satanists
Gospel of Satan: the story of Jesus and the angels, from the perspective of the God of this World
Lucky Mojo Usenet FAQ Archive: FAQs and REFs for occult and magical usenet newsgroups
Candles and Curios: essays and articles on traditional African American conjure and folk magic
Aleister Crowley Text Archive: a multitude of texts by an early 20th century ceremonial occultist
Spiritual Spells: lessons in folk magic and spell casting from an eclectic Wiccan perspective
The Mystic Tea Room: divination by reading tea-leaves, with a museum of antique fortune telling cups
Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularization of Indigenous Ethnomagicology
Yronwode Home: personal pages of catherine yronwode and nagasiva yronwode, magical archivists
Lucky Mojo Magic Spells Archives: love spells, money spells, luck spells, protection spells, etc.
      Free Love Spell Archive: love spells, attraction spells, sex magick, romance spells, and lust spells
      Free Money Spell Archive: money spells, prosperity spells, and wealth spells for job and business
      Free Protection Spell Archive: protection spells against witchcraft, jinxes, hexes, and the evil eye
      Free Gambling Luck Spell Archive: lucky gambling spells for the lottery, casinos, and races