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Path: ultra.sonic.net!news From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (xiwangmu) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.taoism,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Tantra vs Tao Date: 8 Feb 1999 00:09:32 -0800 Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 82 Message-ID: <79m63s$gng@bolt.sonic.net> References: <79f4nb$3et@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bolt.sonic.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.consciousness.mysticism:25486 alt.magick.tantra:7853 alt.magick.tyagi:15798 alt.philosophy.taoism:45170 talk.religion.misc:277240 talk.religion.newage:95332 49990208 "J.P.": | Knowing only a bit about Tantra and Tao, This source book-read, instructed by spirits, caution. | I am wondering what the difference in the end result of each | is and the methodology of getting there. Traditional tantra (Indian) -- goal 'moksa' or 'liberation'; a cessation of imprisonment in the Wheel of Rebirths; sometimes results in side-effect-powers, supernatural, called 'siddhis'. method is the manipulation of bodily energy (variously 'prana', 'sakti', 'kundalini', et al) using sonic, meditative, and behavioral disciplines to effect the transcendance of this cosmological entrapment. sometimes sexuality is included in symbolic or physical form within these disciplines. taoism (Chinese) -- goal 'shih' or 'immortality'; a funda- mental transmogrification of the flesh into a deathless, entropic stasis; sometimes associated with apparent death, perhaps encountering an elite band of similarly successful individuals in a legendary location such as 'the Blessed Isles' or 'the Western Palace'. method is described in a variety of ways from deliberate such as the manipulation of dietary and behavioral energies ('chi') within a quite complex internal system (including things like 'furnaces' and strange/sexual fluids, organs, or embrionic manifestations) to the ingestion of a carefully protected or prepared pill or potion (often containing an ingredient called 'Cinnabar' designed to render the transmogrification into an 'adamantine body'. sometimes sexuality is included the regimen recommended for achieving this supreme state. Nontraditional tantra and taoism both yield, when followed intuitively by the properly prepared or within the guidance of a skilled mystic, to an experience of integration of self with what is conventionally understood as the rest of of the cosmos (or Tao); in tantra the 'liberation' is the cessation of the tension inherent to the experience of the separate self-as-concept (it is woven into experience); in taoism the 'immortality' is the fairly infinite extension of subjective experience, providing the appearance of an endless life, while the 'adamantine body' is the realization of identity with the nondual substratum of the Tao. | It seems to me that both aim to increase internal energy, heal | whatever imbalance one might have, make me multiorgasmic and | have non-ejaculative orgasms of great intensity. These are the vulgar attractions provided by the traditions in order to secure students. As is usual, the more firmly entrenched in the tradition one becomes, the more ordinary and marvellous the actual results will be. | ...Tao is a more "physical" method, while Tantra is more mental. Taoism tends toward more physical processes overall, yes. There is a greater focus on biochemistry, for example, than spiritual energetics (they are less divided by mystical aspirants). | My ultimate question, then is, is either better, easier to | learn, or more effective? Traditional: tantra is probably more accessible on account of cultural openness and a lack of dispersion (between China and India). Nontraditional: you can learn tantra from Indian gods and taoism from the Celestial Masters directly if you have the wherewithal. mu -- tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (emailed replies may be posted); cc me replies; http://www.abyss.com/tokus; http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatSPELLS.html
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