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Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Re: Tantra, Swinging and Polyamory (was Swinging and Neo-Tantra ...) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 57 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8bhgpj$239@bolt.sonic.net> References:<8b23sn$25b@bolt.sonic.net> <8b8j6p$ikb@bolt.sonic.net> <8b9fp0$3ln@bolt.sonic.net> <38D959F3.2AAB@luckymojo.com> <38DAA60C.A40B6A02@ozemail.com.au> Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:54:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 953960047 208.201.224.36 (Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:54:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:54:07 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:22268 alt.religion.sexuality:41115 alt.magick.tantra:14905 50000325 IVom kali mdhjwh : >Taking Guru hypocrisy to mean the contrast between the explicit statements >and practice provides a clear basis for evaluation. unless, as I said elsewhere, the guru makes it clear that a different standard applies to chelas than to gurus (which seems reasonable to me). >However if siddhi are >used to spellbind in a traditional guru-chela relationship are you aware of instances of this? if so, could you describe them in more detail? >or NT >relationship, how can the new initiate protect themselves from exploitation >in the form of sexual and/or psychic rape ? by taking certain precautions: * surveying the field across a wide spectrum of instructors and students before making any kind of energetic or monetary commitment in order to establish in the mind of the student what a guru *should* be like, what kind of relationships *should* fall under the umbrella of 'guru-chela', and when they should consider themselves "ready" to engage such a thing * getting references from other chelas or reviewers of the guru in question testifying as to the reliability and safety of the individual * being extremely skeptical of gurus outside of any traditional lineage (because traditional societies may exercise some kind of restraint, dissuading extreme or violating acts) * interviewing in some depth the guru, asking them about how they see the guru-chela relationship, what they think about the roles and their limitations (especially with regard to intimacy and domination), and to what extremes they have put their chelas in the past. those who balk at such prophylactic measures are probably not worth the cautious aspirant's time. the most foolproof method of avoiding sexual or psychic rape is by not getting into such lopsided relationships that horrors like this would become possible. barring this, such a choice will necessarily include some risk. namaste nagasiva -- mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired
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