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Path: Supernews69!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.sex,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Re: Tantra East and West Date: 14 Jul 1997 02:06:49 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 61 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5qcq79$a8p@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: <33C2B483.4E6F@luckymojo.com> <5puhq9$sj8$1@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net> <5q10l2$3ie@kudo20.kudonet.com>Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: 27620@165.227.52.9 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:107351 alt.magick.tyagi:13612 alt.magick.sex:29048 alt.religion.sexuality:22277 alt.magick.tantra:4418 49970714 aa2 Hail Satan! oispeggy@acsu.buffalo.edu: # How can it be tantra if its western? Without the cultural background ~~~~~~~~~~~~ tantra stems from many cultures, blossoms from many sources. it may be found in many religions, many socio-economic classes, temporal contexts. # and flowing from the tradition(s) it is not tantra, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tantra arises outside traditions and becomes ossified over time, a shell (kleppoth) of its original life. what makes something 'tantra' is not that it resides inside a social tradition and seizes this label. have you ever read any Osho on this subject? he was a tantric adepti. # regardless of westerners borrowing that word. borrowing the word or infestation by the tantric masters? good luck. # It can have similarities, but it ain't it. 'it'? please describe 'it'. # If its western its sex-magick, sex magick and tantra are often confused I agree. not all Western tantra is about sex disciplines, though it may include them. # which has a different culture and tradition. oh? I gathered that sex magick was rather transcultural and panglobal. # ...Sex-magick is just really good sex that includes mixxing and sharing # sexual fluids as a sacrament, you used to say it was just good sex until you ran into josh. horse-racing is 'really' just a bunch of men on beasts riding around in circles. uh-huh. # done with intent and often with kinks. Kinks = whatever puts you on # a psychological roller-coaster -- handcuffs, homo-stuff, hetero stuff, # extreme arousal, s&m, b&d, role-playing, lingerie, shoes, religious # or magickal accoutrements, drugs -- whatever makes your toes and/or # mind curl. that's a lot of variables. ok, this is what it is for you, then. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nagasiva -- (emailed replies may be posted) ------- join the AMT syncretism!!! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus ---------- call: 408/2-666-SLUG!! "sa avidya ya vimuktaye" -- "that which liberates is ignorance"
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