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From tyagi@bjt.net Thu Dec 5 16:32:13 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21068 for; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:32:10 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27000; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:15:18 -0800 To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Path: kudo!tyagi Date: 5 Dec 96 21:05:38 GMT Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.magick.moderated,alt.magick.sex,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.sex.wizards,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick.order Subject: Objections to Sex Magick (was Re: OTO Supreme Secret (IX')) Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.consciousness.mysticism From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (xiwangmu) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (xiwangmu) Status: O [originally-to: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org; followups targetted] 49961129 AA1 The Revolution Continues! kabesq: #> ..."the supreme secret of the Order" (IX' OTO) appears, #> according to Crowley, to be symbolized in a phallo-kteisic #> conjugation, in the consecration of a particular rite #> (F.King's text indicates the creation of an 'Homonculus', #> and this appears to relate to a 'Magical Child') whose #> elements include the combination of the Red and White #> Tinctures (see alchemical Red Lion [male]/White Eagle [female] #> or Red/White Dragons as of Merlin), fabricating the Elixir of #> Life/Immortality when properly constituted and conditioned. # ...In the age of AIDS -- and its widespread association of "blood # and semen (and drugs)" with DEATH (no exchanging of fluids) -- how # is this ritual to be understood? 'drugs' is a term of condemnation amongst the ignorant. 'AIDS' is a syndrome preventable with attention to the behaviors and blood contents of one's intimates. 'death' appears to be a lessening absolute result as regards this syndrome or its supposed viral elements (HIV). the association to which you refer may well be blown out of purportion as regards the likelihood of contraction, constituting greater danger within certain cultural groups and via certain types of activities (that of anal intercourse and intravenous needle-sharing among the most prominent and well-known). 'how this ritual is to be understood' is not in the least way affected by these potential hazards, though how it is safest to interpret them could of course become a subject of debate. I find that this and the notion of 'oath-bound secrecy' are the first barriers, aside from the distinct lack of material available due to that secrecy, to open and honest discussion about these secrets. your question merely presumes a vulgar connotation where one may not necessarily exist. 'IXth Degree Sex Magick' may well imply something much MORE than inserting a penis into a vagina and sucking up the escrescences of these wobbly bits within 'ritual circumstances'. what it *might* imply is the point I'm trying to inspire discussion upon. thus your concern is merely a tangent I'd prefer to put aside quickly rather than spend serious time upon it. do what thou wilt. if this involves hazard, try to be aware of the consequences. #Only between monogamous couples, hmm? the safest manner of living is to lock oneself inside a contained atmospheric contraceptive bubble and engage no pleasurable activities which may inspire repeated behaviors that don't afford direct survival value. quite beyond this and in some seriousness, it is claimed by some that what is required for contraction of the dangerous diseases you mention, especially through oral or vaginal sexuality, is *repeated intrusion and exposure*. this occurs no more frequently than in a monogamous coupling while one carries the dread viral foe. as another has already said in this thread, there are tests available. I would recommend getting one and requesting this of any long-term intimates one engages, quite beside sex magick. acquaint yourself with what constitute 'hi-risk' groups of people and actions and get to know those with whom you are intimate if you are at all afraid of 'what might happen' or don't feel you can trust your intuition in this regard. there are many unfounded, rampant rumors surrounding this issue that are hotly debated, in part because they tend to support conventional morality standards and key into long-held, at times quite erroneous, information promoted within an atmosphere of hysteria. now, can we please discuss what these secrets mean, rather than how much they aren't 'secrets' and 'how dangerous they are to carry out', both of which bypass their discussion and take away from speculation on their depths and grandeur? or is it that anyone who thinks anything about these secrets has already become enslaved to the organizations purporting to 'safeguard' them through oaths, and nobody who is not so oath-bound has any idea about to what these 'secrets' pertain (a sorry state if true)?? E6/6/6 xiwangmu tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
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