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From omkali-owner Mon Feb 13 11:46:31 1995 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26988 for; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:46:29 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (tyagi@jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09847; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:46:28 -0800 Received: (tyagi@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA26980; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:46:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199502131946.LAA26980@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Kali, Goddess of Destruction To: omkali@portal.com (OmKali Elist) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199502131838.KAA23567@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Sharon Fisher" at Feb 13, 95 10:38:40 am From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2828 Status: RO Kali Yuga 49950213 [cc'd to OmKali from private email] |> [quoting me previous - tyagi] |>...She is also the goddess of diseases and storms. It is not so |>much the 'outcome' which is associated with Her, but the energy of |>entropy and dissolution, the breakdown of what we consider valuable |>as living humans until we've seen a bigger picture. |>...nor is Kali's interaction with us always 'supportive'. |>Sometimes it directly opposes us. |Does Kali have a goal, then? Does Nature, does our planet have a 'goal'? Personally I doubt it. I gather that She does protect Herself in some fashion, so perhaps in the sense of self-sustenance She has a limited goal. I'm not convinced that She really cares what type of organism/being She becomes, however. Perhaps it is just inertia and equilibrium playing at bones. |Or is she sort of a 'trickster' like some other entities, who likes |to create trouble? Trouble? Trouble is relative to the individual. What was that about the same Chinese ideograph for 'danger' is 'opportunity'? I don't see Kali in the same way I see various Trickster divinities, no. I mean, while I do revere such gods as Coyote and Loki, I think that for me and most others Kali encompasses much more than this Jester-evolutionary function. For all I know the Trickster-gods did too, but I am far from them in space-time and mind. Kali is more often associated with a dual-aspect (or a single pole of that polarity, depending upon one's preferences and needs). She is either seen as a Mother Goddess, the active and protective agent of Durga whose compassionate and generative concern inspires in Her a very powerful Refuge for Her children/devotees, or as the Mad Destroyer, whose rage and insanity are unmatchable and ultimately dissolutory. I really do think that the connection between Babalon within Thelemic tradition and Kali within the Indian is undeniable, and their main similarities (thirst for blood and dance/sex) are indicative of very potent and subtle mysteries which are impossible to describe through not too difficult to experience. |I guess if she governs entropy, that would make sense... I don't see it so much that She 'governs' anything. It isn't, as I see Kali, as though She were 'delegated' certain things over which She is to have power. More that She *is* 'Mother Nature', but that we are used to looking at this mother with a confused and biased eye, focussed upon the cleft and teat which give us birth and suck rather than the sword and head which give us pain and death. Entropy is a facet of Her unquenchable thirst, not some power over which She has dominion, as I see it. I am cc'ing this to the OmKali Elist. (email omkali-request@portal.com if you would like additional information about that). nagasiva, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
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