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Eastern LBRP

To: alt.magick
From: (John B)
Subject: Re: Eastern LBRP
Date: 1 Jun 2003 07:24:46 -0700

"Jason Michael Rubino"  wrote in message news:...
> >"John B"
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>   >>"Jason Michael Rubino"  gm> wrote in
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> Ritual has
> its purpose and in that
> purpose is meant limitation.
> Having said that, and having
> my mistake corrected by you,
> what would your thoughts be if
> I put Vishnu as Tipareth and
> the creative, the Ch'ien of
> the I-Ching and collective
> Soul; Brahma as the Lord of
> the Waters of all aspects of
> the triune Soul; and Shiva as
> the Lord of Annihilation in
> the Abyss of the Vishuddha
> Chakra?

I'm not that familiar with the I-Ching so I can't comment on your
correspondences to that system. All I can really say is that having
moved beyond traditional associations, you are free to make whatever
correspondences you like, or work best for you, I think.

Typically, in reference to the trimurti, Brahma is associated with the

Brahman is the underlying unity from which the creator(Brahma),
preserver(Visnu), and destroyer(Siva) arise.

Your use of Siva's name, in the above, seems to be, superficially,

It should be stated that beyond the trimurti both Siva and Visnu have
their own cults in which they function as the supreme deities
responsible for the entire cycle, relegating the other two to minor

 Yama is the Lord of
> Death to annihilate the
> Annihilator seated in the Ajna
> Chakra and as such would be
> the ruler of what is above the
> Abyss; is of the element of
> Fire and sight: Chochmah
> proper. Om would of course
> illuminate Yama that all is,
> was, illusion ( Maya) and that
> sound is the source of God's
> creation.
>   Isn't it said that Gotama
> Buddha was the incarnation of
> Vishnu? One could see then how
> the authors of the New
> Testament laid the mystical
> foundation for Christian
> Mystics and later Rosicrucians
> by giving the quote in the New
> Testament:  "No one gets to
> the Father but by me," from
> Vedic Metaphysics.

The Buddha is an avatar of Visnu because the folklore surrounding him
emphasizes his role as a teacher of the dharma. Visnu's role as
preserver in the trimurti is often referred to as the 'maintainer of
the dharma' although Buddhists meant something quite different by
'dharma' than orthodox Hindus* do, the connection was close enough for
the Buddha to be associated with the preserver of the cosmic order.

That's the danger of a name, identity in name is not necessarily
identity in kind, but it's usually enough for those caught up on
superficial appearances to see a connection. Whether these connections
are accurate or not depends on whether you value historical
specificity over abstract constructions.

Obviously the mage is better served by exploring the abstract liaisons
that may exist, as historical specificity has little value to
individual practice.


* just an aside for those who may read this who are familiar enough
with Hinduism to think applying the term 'orthodox' to Hinduism is
foolish, I'm just trying to highlight the difference between those
forms of religion in India that recognise the Vedas legitimacy, and
those, like Buddhism, that rejected it. I don't mean orthodoxy in the
sence of a rigid central hierarchy of specific dogmatic and ritual
forms as in the West.

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