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TOP | RELIGION | CHRISTIANITYAOLimousine: Theology: A Rebuttal
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From: jasonp@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason Posey )
Subject: Re: AOLimousine: Theology: A Rebuttal
Date: 1 Apr 1996 00:19:14 GMT
In article <4jmvq1$mt7@news.corpcomm.net>,
Joseph S. Holt wrote:
>
>>Given that pretty much everything in the New Testament has been shown by
>>scholars to have not been written by the people who are supposed to have
>>written them, that they contradict each other, that there is no evidence
>>whatsoever that any man named Jesus or Yeshua ever lived, preached, and
>>was crucified, one has to say yes, Christianity is based not merely on
>>blind faith but on conscious self-deceit.
>
>Dear Mr. Abomination:
>
>It is generally considered wise to investigate one's facts
>before one spouts off at the mouth too much.
Take your own advice.
There are
>very few secular scholars that still debate the question of
>Christ's existance.
You could start there. You're wrong.
As to the authorship of the New
>Testament, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. It is
>of course true that some of the books are of questionable
>authorship, but most are not.
Actually, dear, ALL of them are. NONE of the Gospels could have been
written by the fictitious characters whose names are given to them; at
least some and quite possibly ALL of Paul's epistles were not written by
him. Revelation was written by a fellow whose position in the Church is
not known by Church historians themselves.
Most of the books were
>accepted into the church at the moment they were received
>from the authors,authors that, I might point out, were
>members of these churches at the time.
As the Chruch did not develop an official canon until several centuries
after most of the books in the Protestant NT were written, and then chose
to reject a number of books for largely political reasons, your claim
that the church accepted them at the moment they were received is an
outright, bald-faced, pathetic lie.
The literary and
>documented evidence of all these things are both
>substantial and of quality.
Really? If so, then someone on alt.christnet needs to provide some
examples, as there are folks here on alt.satanism who can provide plenty
of well-researched scholarly essays to the contrary.
The Christian Bible is the
>most discussed, studied, researched, investigated, and
>scrutinized document in ancient history.
Undoubtedly true. Unfortunately, most of the debate has not been based on
scholarly knowledge of the facts.
>As to the apparent contradictions, there are a few scribal
>errors (less than in the works handed down by Shakespeare,
>but of more certain authorship.) There are also some
>differences in the Gospel accounts. These, however, are of
>more value then harm. The Gospels are eyewitness accounts
>and if they agreed completely, they would have very little
>credibility. One might think they were contrived.
One might judge, given that they give quite different accounts of things
as important as the crucifixion and the resurrection of Lazarus, and of
Jesus' lineage, that they were probably stories based on old folk tales
being invented by people with different agendas.
>In short Mr. Abomination: DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST, TALK
>SECOND.
LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
Oh, there's the Devil quoting Scripture again. Of course, when a
Christian is confronted with a passage of their Bible which doesn't
accord with that Christian's views, the Christian will automatically
accuse the non-christian of "twisting" it.
I've done plenty of homework on the subject, little boy. Actually, I'm a
Religious and Near Eastern Studies major, so I've done a LOT of homework
on the matter. I know what I'm talking about. You Christians, as always,
do not.
>Joe
>
>Don't just quote your Bible, read it.
Don't just read it, find out the truth behind it.
It ain't God, that much is certain.
--
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