a cache of usenet and other text files pertaining
to occult, mystical, and spiritual subjects.


JWs Commit Suicide

To: talk.religion.misc
From: br996@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (K. Christine Callaghan)
Subject: Re: JWs Commit Suicide
Date: 9 Apr 1997 23:01:21 GMT

Nathan Riech ( writes:
> If that were true you might have sen it on the news, especially
> considering how retarded the local stations get with stupid stories like
> that.  

Nathan, you silly thing...
the reasons it *doesn't* make headlines are very simple:
1. the deaths do not take place in aggregations, they happen

2. hospitals do not attribute the cause of these deaths to
   religious beliefs or the medical directives attached to them --
   more often than not, a patient who dies as a result of refusal
   of a blood transfusion are attributed to the *physical* cause
   of death, such as "irreversible shock", "heart failure", "massive
   hemorrhage", etc.

3. it is difficult for people who are interested in these cases to
   find statistics on the numbers of deaths attributed to refusal
   of blood products on religious grounds, although I have a strong
   feeling that WTS headquarters keeps a record of the number of
   martyrs they have for their cause.

> And you dont get "suicide cards", they are no blood cards, for no
> blood transfusions

They aren't "no blood cards".  They are called Advance Medical Directives.
They are legal documents that states that you do not wish to have blood
products even if they are necessary to save your life.  Other people have
similar Advance Medical Directives, such as Do Not Resuscitate orders, or
Organ Donation Directives in the event that a person cannot be saved.

The difference between the one JWs carry and the others, are that JWs 
essentially enter a suicide-pact with the Governing Body of the WTS,
which is confirmed in writing by means of this Advance Medical Directive.
The AMD also releases the GB from liability should untoward results occur
from the individual's treatment [i.e., brain damage, impaired physical
function of any sort] and delay caused by seeking alternative treatment,
and resultant lack of oxygen to body tissues.  The other difference is
that JWs can become suspect by their congregation elders should they not
have their AMD on their person at any given time.  Persons who have
reservations about signing their "no blood card" are subjected to peer
pressure to conform, since the cards are distributed at a single meeting
once a year, and are to be signed by the card holder and two witnesses
[since it is a legal document] at the end of the meeting.  Under such
circumstances, it becomes questionable as to whether the person indeed
signed of his/her own volition, but the time to debate that is not when
the person is bleeding to death in the ER.

> because taking in blood to the body is condemed in
> the bible.

Taking blood into the body BY EATING IT is condemned in the Bible, and

> Get you story straight.
et tu, Nathan

The Arcane Archive is copyright by the authors cited.
Send comments to the Arcane Archivist:

Did you like what you read here? Find it useful?
Then please click on the Paypal Secure Server logo and make a small
donation to the site maintainer for the creation and upkeep of this site.

The ARCANE ARCHIVE is a large domain,
organized into a number of sub-directories,
each dealing with a different branch of
religion, mysticism, occultism, or esoteric knowledge.
Here are the major ARCANE ARCHIVE directories you can visit:
interdisciplinary: geometry, natural proportion, ratio, archaeoastronomy
mysticism: enlightenment, self-realization, trance, meditation, consciousness
occultism: divination, hermeticism, amulets, sigils, magick, witchcraft, spells
religion: buddhism, christianity, hinduism, islam, judaism, taoism, wicca, voodoo
societies and fraternal orders: freemasonry, golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc.


There are thousands of web pages at the ARCANE ARCHIVE. You can use ATOMZ.COM
to search for a single word (like witchcraft, hoodoo, pagan, or magic) or an
exact phrase (like Kwan Yin, golden ratio, or book of shadows):

Search For:
Match:  Any word All words Exact phrase


Southern Spirits: 19th and 20th century accounts of hoodoo, including slave narratives & interviews
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice by cat yronwode: an introduction to African-American rootwork
Lucky W Amulet Archive by cat yronwode: an online museum of worldwide talismans and charms
Sacred Sex: essays and articles on tantra yoga, neo-tantra, karezza, sex magic, and sex worship
Sacred Landscape: essays and articles on archaeoastronomy, sacred architecture, and sacred geometry
Lucky Mojo Forum: practitioners answer queries on conjure; sponsored by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
Herb Magic: illustrated descriptions of magic herbs with free spells, recipes, and an ordering option
Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers: ethical diviners and hoodoo spell-casters
Freemasonry for Women by cat yronwode: a history of mixed-gender Freemasonic lodges
Missionary Independent Spiritual Church: spirit-led, inter-faith, the Smallest Church in the World
Satan Service Org: an archive presenting the theory, practice, and history of Satanism and Satanists
Gospel of Satan: the story of Jesus and the angels, from the perspective of the God of this World
Lucky Mojo Usenet FAQ Archive: FAQs and REFs for occult and magical usenet newsgroups
Candles and Curios: essays and articles on traditional African American conjure and folk magic
Aleister Crowley Text Archive: a multitude of texts by an early 20th century ceremonial occultist
Spiritual Spells: lessons in folk magic and spell casting from an eclectic Wiccan perspective
The Mystic Tea Room: divination by reading tea-leaves, with a museum of antique fortune telling cups
Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularization of Indigenous Ethnomagicology
Yronwode Home: personal pages of catherine yronwode and nagasiva yronwode, magical archivists
Lucky Mojo Magic Spells Archives: love spells, money spells, luck spells, protection spells, etc.
      Free Love Spell Archive: love spells, attraction spells, sex magick, romance spells, and lust spells
      Free Money Spell Archive: money spells, prosperity spells, and wealth spells for job and business
      Free Protection Spell Archive: protection spells against witchcraft, jinxes, hexes, and the evil eye
      Free Gambling Luck Spell Archive: lucky gambling spells for the lottery, casinos, and races