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To: alt.zen,talk.religion.buddhism From: amorfati@geocities.com Subject: is Thomas Cleary a Zen Master or what? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:21:16 -0600 ok, stupid question. But inquiring minds want to know. does anyone know if Thomas Cleary studied with a roshi like Suzuki Roshi or Maezumi Roshi, or someone else established in some lineage? I know he has the harvard phd, and an affiliation with SF zen center in the 70's, which apparently gave him a stipend while he was engaged in translation work, and must be an incredibly devoted, dedicated, and inspired disciple of Buddha to have done what he has done, but did he ever study under a 'living' roshi and receive transmission of some kind or other? If not, I might suspect that his dedication and hard work are more symptoms of academic idiot-savantry rather than devotion and inspiration. After all, logorrhea is a chronic disease of uninspired academics. Of course, this would be an irrelevant and offensive question, were it not for Cleary's many criticisms of western zen practice found in the forewords and prefaces of his many books. Such criticisms, it seems to me, require some confession by the author of where they are coming from. Maybe Cleary is like Stephen Mitchell, striking out on his own after a brief affiliation with and disassociation from a teacher, hoping someday to give himself transmission? Mitchell also refrains from the personal anecdote, but he also, I notice, unlike Cleary, refrains from criticism of western zennism. I have heard Thomas Cleary lecture a few times, and he cant resist jabbing at the American Zen establishment of priestlets, schedules, rituals etc. Even the forewords of his many books, seemingly composed from stream of consciousness, contain many snide remarks about the idiocy of westerners in their approach to Zen practice and trusting the prescriptions of a few oriental priestlets. Maybe he was snubbed in some way by some teacher like Suzuki Roshi? So, makes me wonder, from whence doth he pontificate? Is he more than a 'mere' translator? He seems to be careful to rarely refer to himself, from what I've read or heard, avoiding the western confessional style of Augustine, Merton, and myriads of Beat zennists, never referring to his own ups and downs with practice and 'teachers'. (except once I remember him making vague allusions to his personal experience of the transformative power of the Avatamsaka which he encountered while translating it.) So, if he wants us to think he is a 'mere' translator by not ever referring to his own practice, why then does he sprinkle his prefaces with these criticisms? Why should zennists listen to him at all? Is he just a zen crackpot? Or is he a prophet crying in the wilderness of good-little wannabe western zen priestlets who are carefully tippy toeing up the hundred foot pole of delusion? cats, katz, kwatz, whatever... -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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