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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick From: nagasivaSubject: Planetary Sequences in Occultism Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:50:35 GMT 50030929 viii om Joseph Littleshoes : # ...I have # recently been playing around with "Chiro"s" numeralogical attributions # for the planets. As it applys to palmestry, yes, but also as i find # him to have at least in his own mind created a coherent system of # correspindencies that he seems to be satisfied with. # # I am uncomftorble in his system with the lack of a "0" however im # working on rectifying that. what is it about a 0 that intrigues or inspires? we're talking about trump-numbers, right? my understanding is that these have varied through the years and that the older trumps either had no numbers at all (something I've adopted and I suggest that effectively Crowley also did in abandoning the Roman Numerals), or they started at 1 and proceeded to XXI (the Fool or Excuse being unnumbered). the introduction of the 0 allowed placement of the Fool at 0 before the Magus, but without Roman Numerals or ignoring them, then there is no necessity to include any 0 at all. personally I prefer to use a blank as an Excuse, letting (occult) Tarot include the Fool *as* as trump, but this is mostly a means to obtain a 26-letter correlate with Z=BLANK. # I am tempted to place pluto in the "0" position as the outer limits of # the solar system and thereby being indicative of the innermost, as above # so below, etc, etc,, but while i have no problem giving mercury over # to the number 1 position and the solar sphere to number 6 i am stll, # releatively speaking at a loss for "0" . interesting ideas. I suppose that in some measure it will depend what you're attempting to achieve. # I refrain here from making the type of list you are so very good at, # but if any of this interests you i could make the attempt. # 0=whatever # 1=mercury # 2=venus # 3=earth # etc. etc. # or leave earth out and give either the moon or mars the # 3rd number, though im more comftorble giverning the # moon 3, earth 4 and mars 5. Planetary sequence in occult data is something that I've been fascinated with for years, but I haven't found any justification for the Sequence of the Ancients, or the Weekday Sequence (which may be obtained by placing the Ancients Sequence on a septagram and following connects), or the Nigris Sequence (discovered through the method as described above but the third possible variant omitting reversals). I don't notice, for example, that it coincides with the pre-Copernican concentric-sphere cosmology, though I'm not completely conversant with it and might be in error. a strong alternative is precisely to what you are pointing: namely the astronomical sequence from Sol, which is to what I attempted to 'correct' the trumps after the Golden Dawn tradition by adding some trumps to accomodate the newly-discovered planets (others have removed the Elements to facilitate this). in such a case, the question immediately becomes: why 6=sun? occultists have, after neo-Kabbalists, assigned 6 to Sun with Tiphareth, but I don't see the logic in going partway to astronomy and letting some stay with thematic assignment in sephiroth. as such there seems only two possible sequences here (I'm ignoring 0 as a peculiarity which doesn't really apply to material bodies): 1. Sun Sun 2. Mercury Mercury 3. Venus Venus 4. Earth Moon 5. Moon Earth 6. Mars Mars 7. Jupiter Jupiter 8. Saturn Saturn 9. Uranus Uranus 10. Neptune Neptune 11. Pluto Pluto and I've considered whether or not to include the Asteroid Belt (which I like to called Oceanids :>) between 6 and 7. there is also the order of magic squares that has 3=Saturn from Agrippa that the GD mapped to sefirotic tree circles. the logic of this is founded on the Ancients/Weekday/Nigris series 3x3=Saturn 4x4=Jupiter 5x5=Mars 6x6=Sun 7x7=Venus 8x8=Mercury 9x9=Moon here's the set for our reference (Sun-initiated): Ancients Sequence (usually starts with Moon) Sun / Mars / Jupiter / Saturn / Moon / Mercury / Venus Weekday Sequence (usually starts with Sun) Sun / Moon / Mars / Mercury / Jupiter / Venus / Saturn Nigris Sequence (usually starts with Mercury) Sun / Mercury / Saturn / Mars / Venus / Moon / Jupiter are there any other logical *or* traditional Planetary Sequences that occultists use or have used? these could be mapped to sephiroth (as traditional, or novelly) straight through to the false Da'ath, and they can be applied in some series to the tarotic Trumps. nagasiva
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