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To: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi From: RickSubject: Re: Nature of Demons (was: Re: subjective reality issues (again) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:14:40 GMT Relayer wrote: > > Rick wrote: > Well, when I have deliberately externalised and anthropomorphised emotions > like the ones you listed, the critter produced looks somewhat demonic and > "infernal". Doing the same thing with more pleasant emotions yeilds a more > "angelic" vision. Note that I am not confusing this technique with > ceremonial evocation of angels and demons, but it does lead me to another > question... I should clarify that the list I posted was just an estimation of my experience, the closest I can come to communicating what I experience as "demons" with language. > Where do you draw the dividing line between angels and demons? I don't. In fact, my efforts at working with angels has never born fruit. When I was committed to a ceremonial program, I gave daily effort to it, and at times thought I had something going, but I've since abandoned that effort and hindsight in light of my work since informs me that I've communed with no angels. I can't say why that is for sure. Plenty of people seem to have and on-going intercourse with them, but not me. So I can't really distinguish between those two for you. I can, however, speak of the differences between gods and demons. > particular characteristics define the seperation... or is it an unbroken > continuum from benefic to malefic? I'm not looking for answers based on TOL > attributions here; to say that demon x exists exists because we recognise > qlippoth x seems to be synthesising a demon for the convenience of our > systems (not that there's anything wrong with that.) My work with demons takes on a somewhat primal form. The technique I apply is difficult to describe, but the results are unmistakable, by feel. Demons tend to color your senses in a particular way that, when it happens, you know it's a demon. What I've already said of them is probably the best I can do for now. Gods on the other hand have a very different feel, not as narrow and defined as demons, not as singular in focus. There is a sense of reciprocity with gods, a free-flowing exchange of some sort. It happens naturally with gods, perhaps a by-product of achieving the right state in which to perceive them. I think it would take a great effort to establish the same kind of communion with a demon, and I think it would be poisonous to both parties if it actually happened. > What is ythe difference between (say) Zabathiel and (say) Glasyabolas? I'm unable to answer this, not having an actual relationship with either. -- Rick http://home.earthlink.net/~iopan/
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