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When summoning/talking to a spirit

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (CoE SOD)
Subject: Re: When summoning/talking to a spirit
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:29:16 GMT

50000327 IVom 

"Enigma"  regarding spirits:
>...what would cause their obligation to respect the presence of 
>such an object, or perhaps force them to do so? 

the dedication and directed will of the magician. religious faith
gives the mage sufficient coherence of will that some spirits will
not attempt to breach this for their own purposes. not only this,
a firmly directed will at the service of a delusional mage will
actually CREATE a replica of the spirit she is attempting to call.
the less experienced will not understand this and presume that
they have achieved contact. this is one of the reasons that some
will evoke *to visible manifestation*, since they will be able to
discern the difference between their typical perceptual skills,
imagination, and an unusual phenomenon. it is also a reason that
some magicians will use gematria to ferret out 'confirmation' of
the identity of those with whom they speak (why correlations in
gematria could not be subconsciously generated we are not told).
 
>Does this amulet or charm have an actual power of its own, I mean, 
>when creating such an object, do you have a frame reference as to 
>what this amulet/charm should appear to look like 

fashioned magical objects can be given power of their own, and some
have this power from the very beginning (their herb or mineral has
usually been identified as potent and reputed for this use). neo-
platonic or transcendentalist magicians will contend that all
magical objects only have the power you give them, but this is 
self-aggrandizement and without basis.

when creating such a magical amulet or charm, they should appear
to be resonating in the astral plane if you've the sight for it, and
they might feel potent, vibrating strongly to your touch. if your
skills are particularly developed it may also have some kind of 
personality and be able to speak with you, even about the success 
of your empowerment.

>(and if so, from what?), 

I don't understand this question.

>or does the amulet / charm you create simply empowered by your
>"energy", 

it can be, like a battery, operating for the purpose that you
have designated it. talismans like the pentacle or some other
geometric figure program easily this way. elemental or
planetary figures can tweak it one way or another also.

>and if so, then ...wouldnt that make you more powerful than this
>malevolence that you summon (and ...if so, wouldnt that make whole task
>redundant? 

I don't understand the logic of this question either. relative
power between two adversaries may be affected by an amulet, but
having one doesn't necessarily guarantee that one is more powerful
than what one is summoning.

>I mean, what would be the point of summoning a "force" or "being"
>to gain a power, that you apparently already have? :)?

because the power of domination is not the same as the power that
these spirits are supposed to have (secret knowledge, abilities
to lend in assistance such as navigation, the detection of treasure,
special abilities to compel women, etc.). the mage may only have
the ability to compel demons to utilize their specialties for him.

blessed beast!

boboroshi@satanservice.org (CoE SOD)
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