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To: alt.magick.sex,alt.magick.tantra
From: papajohn@vnet.net (John E."Papa John" Mayer)
Subject: sex magick and tantra similar/identical?
Date: 1997/06/26
sex magick and tantra similar/identical?
OK, intrepid lurkers of alt.magick.sex who *don't*
think this ng is for pornography, here's yer chance
to put up or shut up...even if ya only say, "I'm
here too!", let's see who's listenin'.
A coupla remarks first:
keep the header in lower case. Even I don't read
headers in all caps. This is from the start *our*
newsgroup, not theirs. Of course, they will never
know we were here, but we didn't want them to, did
we?
I'm crossin' to alt.magick.tantra which is the land
of ascended sex magickians, et al. Perhaps we'll
hear a post from the great beyond!
Nobody's a final authority. We aren't purifying the
Sacred Teachings, we're discussing a subject, kewl?
And thanks to tyagi, who still insists on crossing
material here regularly.
Is sex magick the same as tantra? Y'see, I've read
a lotta stuff on sm, Crowley's various expositions,
including De Arte Magica, which is very direct, even
for Fra. P.; I've read Culling, who seems to make
sm into a very esoteric thing, in three levels with
everything laid out (pun intended? dunno...) nice
and neatly; I've even read P.B.Randolph, whom I find
nearly incoherent, though there seems to be *some*
method in his madness...read a little of O.A.Spare's
stuff, who appears to be a raving madman (a quality
I rather like in a person, since it makes one a real
*hoot* at parties)...even read some of Cat's stuff on
Tantra on her web site (where *is* my list of URL's?),
and on the other hand...
I've heard that tantra is not for liberation of one's
sex partner as much as oneself (a goal I like to think
is the central point of western sm), but to enslave the
partner! SURELY THIS CAN'T BE SO!!! Wo, theatrics!
So wassup with that? How similar is tantra to western
practice? Is Karezza (sp?) exactly like tantra, or is
it another approach entirely? I remember hearing about
that stuff when I was a teenager (back when the mountains
were only knee-high), and already being interested in
magick at the time, I was intrigued, but also broke and
mostly too bashful to take such a book to the clerk.
Times and people do change.....
So what kinda mess is this? I got Mister Crowley over here
servin' it up down and dirty, Culling with white bread and
mayonaisse, Spare maybe with some funny-looking stuff
dripping off of it, Siva threatening a slave into
submission, and them K~~za folks doin' god knows what....
Or do I?
Will
Love,
Papa John
John E."Papa John" Mayer
Magick*Musick*Mayhem
papajohn@vnet.net chiron1@ix.netcom.com
If it don't hurt a little bit, it ain't rock & roll!
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