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Non ceremonial.

To: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi
From: catherine yronwode 
Subject: Re: Non ceremonial.
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:20:56 GMT

mika wrote:
> Satyr  wrote

> > catherine yronwode  writes:
> >
> > > Will-based or thelemic magic is a path that many perform with a
> > > minimum of ceremony, although it is may be performed in the form
> > > of self-willed improvisations on ceremonial magick rites and it
> > > is also advocated within rigid and hierarchical ceremonial lodge
> > > systems where postulants take seemingly conflicting vows to
> > > develop their wills while subsuming their wills to a human
> > > leader.
> >
> > What the hell is "will-based" magic, anyway? I've actually escaped
> > from one of those "lodge systems", and I never heard of anything like
> > that.
> Heh.  

I use the term "will-based" magic to refer to a wide group of
mid-19th century through early 20th century techniques of magic
-- not limited to the Golden Dawn lineages or their offshoots. 

For instance, i consider Paschal Beverly Randolph, with his
Volantia, Decreetism, and Posisim (willing a magical effect,
decreeing it must be so, relaxing into a posture of accpetance
that is has come to be) to be every much as a teacher of
will-based magic as Aleister Crowley was.  

In other words, i hold that will-based magic (with no "k") is a
far broader term than encompassed by Crowleyan magick (with a

I use the term "Thelemic magick" (with a "k") to identify
specifically the subset of will-based magic associated with the
Crowleyan branch of the Golden Dawn teachings, including, but not
limited to the magical practices associated with the O.T.O. -- by
which distinction i specifically intend to include those who
follow Crowley's teachings with respect to magic but who are not
associated with the O.T.O. 

See also what Paul Hume wrote about the development of the term
"Thelemic magick" in this same thread, and my response. 

I hope that stepping outside of the personality issues and
looking at the historical development of these specialized terms
(and similar specialized terms in other fields, for the same of
philological comparison) will defuse some of the combativeness
from this thread. I hope to see a bit more intellect than sarcasm
brought to bear on what is, after all, a relatively important
issue -- the issue of how we can best communicate about what it
is that we believe and practice and, in some cases, what we
advocate when others ask us how they might learn about magic.


cat yronwode 

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