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Non ceremonial.

To: alt.magick
From: catherine yronwode 
Subject: Re: Non ceremonial.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:39:11 GMT

Satyr wrote:
> Brett  writes:
> > "Stephen Gray". muttered intensely:

> > >Are there any non-ceremonial magick paths out there ? I have a
> > >vivid imagination so can visualise things like the circle, power
> > >release etc. so that's no problem, just no room in which to
> > >perform. I've searched the internet but I can find nothing on
> > >non-ceremonial magick. Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Most folk magic is non-ceremonial. So is quite a lot of sex
magick. Both are found in books, on the web, and via teachers. 

> > Easy. Just stop being so damned "ceremonial" about it.
> >
> > I've long done my LBRPs standing in one place, simply turning in a
> > circle.
> >
> > Honestly, some of this stuff is too damned rigid and stiff. Strapped
> > to the Pillar of Form, as it were. Be less worried about following
> > every note and dotting your 'i' just like so. Be more worried about
> > what you are *really* doing and what you intend.
> Well said. All one really needs is themself and the will to carry on.
> Everything else - without exception - is window dressing at best, and
> at worst, a lame excuse for doing nothing.

Will-based or thelemic magic is a path that many perform with a
minimum of ceremony, although it is may be performed in the form
of self-willed improvisations on ceremonial magick rites and it
is also advocated within rigid and hierarchical ceremonial lodge
systems where postulants take seemingly conflicting vows to
develop their wills while subsuming their wills to a human


cat yronwode

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Paul Hume wrote:
Someone #1 wrote:

> > > "Thelemic magic" is just a buzzword 
> > > by the way, a marketing ploy to distinguish one brand
> > > of Golden-Dawn-style ceremonial work from another. Not sure it
> > > even existed until the "Maestro" DuQuette's book appeared on the
> > > shelves.
> >
> > What do you call the magickal rituals written by Crowley?
> I think the argument may be that Crowley just called them "magick."
> The occult marketplace was a much sparser piece of terrain during the
> first half of the century. Mozart just called his music "music" -
> people started calling it "classical" later (esp. "classical" versus
> "baroque" or "romantic" or "neo-classical" or "atonal" etc.).

Well said. Battles for terminological hegemony tend to develop
among adherents and scholars only in retrospect, as they look
back on a time period of inventiveness whose proponents had no
special terminology to describe their differences from their

Early Christians called themselves Jews. 

Early blues musicians called themselves "songsters" (a dialect
form of the word "singers"). 


cat yronwode 

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