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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.religion.wicca,alt.magick From: lorax666Subject: Re: Magical Practice as an Excuse for Inaction Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:18:48 GMT 50030420 VII om peace hi Tom! "Tom" asks Parse Tree: > ...you also say that people "must use mundane approaches > eventually". Why is that?... the support for this assertion is that the extension into mundane approach allows the results to become grounded and manifest as a result of previous rites. seeing signs of immanence, turning thence to the symbolic realm is foolish. > Resumes work sometimes, but do you believe that rituals never > do? Is that why rituals are an excuse for inaction but sending > out resumes is not? the issue seems always to have been hesitation, procrastination, and the putting off of accepting mundane developments by retreating to unnecessary ritual and symbolic activities (this seems to presume an absolute perspective in order to have ascertained the circumstances). > There is no mention in the thread title of magick being a > "non-act".... excuse for inaction. the proposed hypothesis was awkwardly advanced. its substance lies in the special circumstance of Balances Having Been Tipped (by mundane or magical means). within this circumstance hesitation and avoiding mundane approaches is better called a 'lack of follow-through'. > ...Caliban is quite explicit in explaining that a necessary > part of the magick is mundane effort, which is certainly not > a "non-act".... the notion is that of seed-planting and harvesting. having planted seeds (magical rites), abstention from harvest (sufficiently engaging the mundane world as to take advantage of said seeding) is a lack of follow-through, a type of refraining from activity (completion, in this perspective of Caliban's hypothesis). > ...Caliban's claim that the act of doing a ritual is only an > excuse for inaction.... generalized, it is silly as you criticize here. in particular, as I have recast it, the selection of assessments is more comprehensible and related to proper timing to practitioners. >> ...one must use mundane approaches eventually. > > ...Is your answer no, mundane approaches are not always a > must or is your answer yes, mundane approaches must always > be used? the difference between probability-shifting and luck-driving? with the former one might take advantage of temporarily leverage probability fields. with the latter, the field is firmly entrenched into one's aura, giving one 'Good Luck'. > ...what is the basis in fact for the claim that magical > practice is just an excuse for inaction on a mundane level? inasmuch as the magic has brought the mundane realm to the stage of fruition and the mage refrains from plucking the fruit of the spell by acting in the mundane realm, instead avoiding the grounding of the spell by repeating symbolic acts. is this an excuse for inaction? only if it needs some kind of excuse. perhaps this type of inaction is necessary for a complete future outcome that mundane involvement now would fumble. without an absolute perspective we cannot really assess the conclusion of the criticism. > If the results of magical practice cannot be tested, undemonstrated. certainly there are means of testing that are used all the time. particularly: augury. divination of a variety of types often prefaces and tests magical art. > how does Caliban know that mundane approaches must be > used to achieve results? the only way his expression makes consistent sense is if the premise (from an absolute perspective) is that only mundane action will achieve results at the time of the period in question, and that at *that* point in time the application of (possibly by this time *additional*) spell work or ritual activity will merely waste an opportunity. blessed be! lorax666
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