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Magic's Relation to Religious Cosmology

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From: noctifer 
Subject: Magic's Relation to Religious Cosmology
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:29:23 GMT

50031216 vii om

#># Allegedly, someone who is fully enlightened has all the usual
#># "paranormal" abilities, and then some.

'enlightened' seems European (Renaissance1600s?) or Buddhist (500BCE?).

# Sure, but the tradition of the relationship of mysticism and 
# paranormal goes back thousands of years. 

this is in part why I distinguished the discussion we were having
prior to your comment as about *magic* and your own discusson as
somewhat confusing to or obscurant of the original. it is often
brought forward by theurges in support of their cosmology and a
restraint (sometimes moral, sometimes merely pragmatic) against
the natural mages following on something proto-scientific.

# It used to be that you couldn't get away with claiming one 
# without claimin the other. 

I'm not sure what you mean here. I suppose we might talk about
Pico della Mirandola as a fount of transChristian thaumaturgy,
but my impression is that mysticism and magic have intertwined
but by no means identical historical trajectories. 

just when do you think this ability to so claim began?

# In the New Age, you're not expected to show signs of 
# sainthood before your claims of "powers" are taken
# seriously, though.

why isn't successful application of occult principles the more
commonly-presumed indicator of powerful expansion? why does
mysticism, saintliness, etc., have to come into it at all? is
this no more than dogma from religious authorities who profess 
some moral order and the requirement to conform to the divine 
in order to be provided with some kind of backing?

what are grimoires but means to bypass or somehow shortcut
this cosmological condition (by allying with the demonic
and therefore engaging in what is called 'sorcery')?


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