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Magic and Fiction

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.witchcraft,alt.magick.chaos
From: (Robert Scott Martin)
Subject: Re: Magic and Fiction
Date: 24 Jun 2002 22:44:44 -0400

In article ,
hoza   wrote:

>> Can the process be reversed, de-editing narrative back into 
>> experience?
>not exactly, but close. one may project through the fragments
>of expression into the actuality of a manifested result. this
>is 'Enacting (or Energizing) a Formula' according to some mages.
>I suggest it may be the only realistic application of "Forms" 
>utilized for the purpose of achievement (see Plato's Forms or

Exciting. Gristy.

>that's where I thought you were headed, though for the purposes
>of discussion, this is rather an extreme. if every narrative is
>fiction, then one may conclude that all experience is ineffable.

"More or less" fictive, "more or less" ineffable.

>> This is what excites me. Leaps out of language, magic stones that 
>> do not "talk" or tell a story so much as they simply "are" and 
>> exert force. I have an appetite for modes of operation that do 
>> not rely on language -- wine, women and song are a good start.
>I suppose one might project through this appetite and construct
>some wonderful fantasy about you.

One can only hope.

>what experience isn't inadequately addressed as narrative?

Certain ritual performances, weddings and graduations in particular (and 
some species of scripted magickal performance) come close, because the 
self is identified with the "character" being put through its paces. "Real 
life" fuses into narrative, leaving relatively little of that gap that 
separates "self" and "character" (experience and narrative) in other 

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