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To: alt.religion.orisha,alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.folk,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic From: catherine yronwodeSubject: Re: La santisima Piedra Iman (aka Loadstones) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:51:52 GMT Eoghan wrote (re: DR. HERNANZEZ): > > I don't know very much except that he dressed similar to the country > doctor and looked suspiciously like Charlie Chaplan. He is popular > even with Puertoriqueña espiritistas here in Philadelphia. All that I > have ever heard however was to burn candles and pray to him. Fairly > textbook activities. Okay, so this has been one of those major sunchronicity-city days. I posted the Nino Fidencio lodestone prayer-spell late last night and this morning you were mentioning Dr. Hernandez. I knew i had some stuff on him, but forgot which drawer it was in and felt too lazy to check it out, when BINGO -- i got a phone call from a Latina women in Dallas, offering to pick me up some goods in Mexico and Guatemala -- a complete stranger, just someone who has seen my web pages -- so i asked her if she knew of Nino Fidencio and she said "Si" -- and told me a LOT: He was born in the 19th century but lived into the 20th century He performed miracle cures both medically and in terms of court cases, "like Saint Jude, when hope is lost." He is revered in Mexico, but also in Puerto Rico and Colombia, where he is the saint most often appealed to by coffee workers (she did not know why, but was sure of this information, first hand). He is said to help "illegals" in matters of the law -- to avoid capture and to avoid deportation. "If you see a picture of Nino Fidencio in a house, either someone is very sick or someone has no papers." In dealing with this woman on business matters, i had to make her some colour photocopies of Mexican and Guatemalan items i want her to scout out for me -- the sort of brujeria things i mentioned in my last post about the differences between African-American and LAtin-American spiritual supply shops -- and lo and behold, when i sent nagasiva to pull things out of the collection in our house, he brought back a big box labelled Los 7 Banos del Nino Fidencio -- which i had completely forgotten i had! It was made in Mexico and is one of those boxed seven-day bath outfits they use down there -- you probably are familiar with them -- Exorcism of San Cipriano, Exorcism of San Miguel, 7 Banos de la Cruz de la Caravaca, etcetera. Anyway, there's one for Nino Fidencio, too, with the usualy sevewn bottles of coloured fluid in the box. The image on the full-colour box lid shows him as a priest in a field, with people worshipping, plus a close-up of his long, homely profile. And inside, we get the FACTS, printed on a sheet of paper in green ink, and no, i STILL don't know Spanish, but this is what i was able to glean from it, using my High School Latin memories -- Nino Fidencio was born October 17th, 1898 at the Rancho de Las Cuevas, in Iramuco Guananjuato. His father was Socorro Constantino and his mother was Maria Transito Sintora. His full name was Fidencio de Jesus Constantino. He did something or other (unknown verb) at the Cenote at Chichen Itza (the old Mayan shrine) involving herbs and flowers where it was revealed that he had Fantastic Powers. The 7 Baths of Nino Fidencio are prepared from authentic recipes. They are (and here's where my Spanish gave out) 1 El Bano de Gobernadora (the bath of the governor, the bath of governance?) taken on Sunday, is for convalesence, business negotionations, transactions, and something something involving money 2 El Banos de Hojase (the bath of leaves) is taken on Monday, and it dissolves the bad work of enemies, removes bad luck, etc. 3 El Bano de Cenizo (the bath of ashes, the ash-coloured bath?) is taken on Tuesday to cure susto (the Mexican hysteriacal fright disorder) and it also works against envy that might affect work or business 4 El Bano con Flores y hojas de Anacahuita (the bath with the flowers and leaves of ... well, Anacahuita looks like a Mayan word) is taken on Wednesday to help with the marriage something about spouses and love ... and it also cures ailments involving the bronchiae and lungs. 5 Los Banos con hojas y fruitos de Pirul (the leaves and fruits of ... what?) is taken on Thursday to (lots of words here i really cannot follow) -- perhaps dissolve badness, separation from the spouse or lover, and infirmities that cause "Hinchazones" (swellings? tumors?), inflammations and chronic illness, and "entuilimientos" (numbness? stiffness?) 6 Los Banos de Visbirinda (what is that?) taken on Friday, something excessive sleeping, Atontamiento (no clue), and insomnia and intranqility during sleep, and tremors, and bad character (!!!) (mental illnesses?) 7 El Bano del Tomates Rojas (the Bath of Red Tomatoes!), taken on Saturday, was used by Nino Fidencio for the whole class of leprosies, skin diseases, and fistulas. Apply the baths all over the body, wash with Genuine Soap of Nino Fidencio (not included and i have never seen it) and use abundant natural water. On the 8th of February, 1928, the Constitutional President of the Republic of Mexico, Sr. General Don Plutarco Elias Calles, accompanied by del Gral. Juan Andrew Almazen, the Governor of the State of Nuevo Leon, with many other persons -- (verb unknown) did something for El Nino Fidencio. (visited him, gave him a medal or award, sorry, i can't figure that one out) On the 18th of October, 1938 El Nino Fidencio found his rest and on his tomb there is a cross and these words are engaved on the stone: 1 Treat the mighty as you would the humble God knows something something your choice -- Dedicated by Enrique Lozez de la Fuenta 2 The Good Lord knows your heart and something something a memorial always beneficent -- the Dedication of Clemente Paras 3 Do not distinguish between the poor and the rich nor between nationals and foreigners, and all something something are equal -- This beneficence is dedicated as a memorial to his eternal memory There's more, but i give up. Remember, i am translating this as a person with 3 years of Latin botanical taxonomy (35 years ago) as my only guide! So -- does anyone want to volunteer to REALLY translate this for me? I can send a photocopy or a fax. And i'll throw in a cool gift for whoever does the translation, if it comes back in e-format so i don't have to keyboard it in. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! Eoghan, you had suggested that i compare Nino Fidencio to Dr. Hernandez, and after finding more stuff about Fidencio than i was prepared to deal with, i went back to work and i was helping siva place an order for Holy Cards (yes, it has been one of THOSE days!) and i needed to find the stock number on one of the odder English-language ones ("The Little White Guest" -- don't ask!), so i opened my box of "unusual" holy cards and lo and behold (again)! -- BINGO -- There was my Dr. Hernandez material -- one holy card and one Novena booklet, both brought to me a few years ago from Honduras by my darling daughter Althaea, who had gone there to work in a clinic (and who is currently in Mongolia, delivering medical supplies and buying me "mini-Durga statues," whatever those may be). So... on both the full-colour card and booklet, Dr. Jose Gregorio Hernandez is shown standing in a suit and hat, in a valley with snow capped mountains and a little red=roofed village in the disatnce and in the middle-background there is a second image of him in his white surgeon's gown, operating on a rather dead-looking man whose left arm is hanging down onto the ground. The two pictures seem to be drawn from the same source, but neither looks particularly "original." I assume they are copies of an older painting. The prayer on the card is a seeming set of pleas to Our Lady of Mercy and to Saint Francis of Assissi with the "servant Jose Gregorio" as intercessor. The Spanish on this card is very formal and too difficult for me to even attempt a translation, (I do much better with the simple, semi-illiterate stuff, obviously). The Novena of Dr. Jose Gregorio Hernandez is dated (that is, it was first published) May 19th, 1954, Caracas, Venezuela. The Novena prayers are fairly standard ones, as far as i can see, calling on God, Our Lady of Mercy, Christ the Redeemer, and so forth in the name of "your servant Jose Gregorio." Toward the back of the booklet there is some biographical information -- and again, my translation is very approximate: Jose Gregorio Hernandez was born on October 26, 1864 at Isnoto in Trujillo state. He graduated as a Doctor of Medicine in Caracas and completed his studies in Europe. He founded the Central Universiy of Caracas's School of Normal and Pathological Histology, Experimental Physiology, and Bacteriology. He introduced the use of the microscope and other scientific advances to Venezuela. He lived a saintly life and took daily communion. He practiced "Medicine for the Poor" and made free visits to the sick. (Break while siva and i eat pineapple and ham pizza and drink coca colas with half-and-half and listen to the Memphis Jug Band.) Continuing my rough translation of the Novena booklet -- Dr. Hernandez was fervant in charity. He was devoted to Our Lady of Mercy, the Patroness of Caracas and favours conferred by her through his intercession have given cause for his beatification. He was a great patriot and the prime saint of Venezuela. Etc. for two more paragraphs. On June 27, 1949 the Tribunal Colegiado met to discuss his Beatification. He is the saint of doctors and those in the professions. Nihil Obstat In other words, Dr. Hernandez, unlinke Nino Fidencio, is well on his way to canonization in the Catholic church. . And it looks like i was quite wrong earlier when i slurringly referred to him as a "psychic surgeon" -- he was a bone fide doctor, and a professor as well. Sorry 'bout that. So, to answer your remark, from the standpoint of the knowledge i have gained today, i'd say that Dr. Hernandez bears more resemblance to San Martin de Porres, the 16th century doctor-saint of Peru who ran a hospital and practiced charity, than either of them do to Nino Fidencio, the patron of "illegals." > On a totally different note I bumped into a lady from New Orleans > today, an anthropologist at the National African Religions Council > conference here in Philadelphia who mentioned a project that the > medical authoprities engaged in back in the 30s or even a little > earlier I believe. They sent out people, some medical professionals, > some just laborers to ask people on the streets of New Orleans what > you do for such and such a health problem. Apparently the resulting > data is still at Tulane. 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