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Christian magick?

To: alt.magick
From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin)
Subject: Re: Christian magick?
Date: 29 Jul 2002 12:29:39 -0400

In article <20020728195357.29551.00001345@mb-ft.aol.com>,
Jonnytuk  wrote:

>a) There were any great Christian Magicians with sufficient writings to be
>worth study; and

Plenty, but the traces they leave behind are relatively scattered after 
the mainstream Christians and the non-Christian magicians picked them 
over. 

What we have left is a somewhat motley crew -- some saints (Francis
Xavier, Albertus Magnus), some renegade priests (Trithemius, Ramon Lull),
some illuminated artists (William Blake, Hieronymus Bosch), some heretics
(Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy), some mystics (Jane Leade, Matthew Fox)
and so on. Throw in a few of the people who define themselves as
occultists but maintain some grounding in the Christian doctrine (Dion
Fortune, Arthur Waite) and you've got something of a divine dozen shaping
up.

Meister Eckhart, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Basil Valentine, Louis Saint-Martin 
and Jakob Boehme weren't slouches either.

>b) Whether there are any *current* Occult/Magickal Christian organisations?

Many of them claim to be, few deliver. When I was your age I was a fan of 
Unity, which is a neoplatonist order disguised as a radio ministry 
network. If you're looking for something a bit more hardcore, check out 
any of the dozens of fine Martinist orders. They've got the good stuff.

Best regards,

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To: alt.magick
From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin)
Subject: Re: Christian magick?
Date: 30 Jul 2002 15:24:41 -0400

In article ,
Greg Wotton  wrote:

>I hadn't thought about adding W.E.Butler to that list until just now. He was
>a Liberal Catholic Minister in England while he was starting up his Occult
>order. In fact his work is some of the best available and he only left us in
>the mid-70's so he is not entirely outside of our contemporary world. (I
>remember reading a comment of his on "The Exorcist" movie.)

Good point. You, in turn, remind me that we've all forgotten to mention
the Tridentine rite and all the crypto-Catholic groups that swirled around
His Alchemical Grace, Roger Caro, at around the same time across the
Channel.

Perhaps we should hear more from our original querent before steering him
too far in that direction however. Not everyone's a fan of Sinead
O'Connor's new material.

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From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Christian magick?
Date: 31 Jul 2002 22:25:07 -0400

In article <20020730180434.02445.00000599@mb-fm.aol.com>,
Jonnytuk  wrote:

>What do you want to know?

Nothing extraordinary. What sort of Christianity you're coming out of, 
what kind of "magick" you're aiming at. Many of the surviving Christian 
lodges are some flavor of Catholic or Gnostic-Catholic, so if you're 
looking for a more Protestant idiom (your original post smelled 
either Anglican or Baptist, but one rarely knows for sure) the path would 
be different.

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