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Vorpal Christ and Non/Reality

To: alt.magick.tyagi,
From: (Wednesday)
Subject: Vorpal Christ and Non/Reality
Date: 19 May 1995 04:52:42 -0500

~From: (Wednesday)
~Newsgroups: alt.religion.apathy,alt.pagan
~Subject: Re: Vorpal Christ And Non/Reality
~Date: 19 May 1995 04:43:56 -0500
Organization: The Underground Revolution Working Overtime
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In article <3ph2va$>,
Gwendoly Piper  wrote:
>Qusetion, isn't appropriating Wiccan ceremonial practices to worship 
>Jesus equivalent to  Westerners appropriating Naticve American practices 
>in the name of pursuing a Western idea of "Enlightenment?"

I don't think so, particularly.

As it stands, traditional Christianity has already adopted aspects of
pagan (!neo-pagan) religious practices; seasonal festivals, for example,
along with some of the traditions observed in saidsame festivals (e.g.
painting eggs and decorating trees). If one takes into account that
Wicca, as we understand it, is very likely an invention of the modern
era, it may very well be that both religions have appropriated something
somewhere along the way; if this is the case, then taking the next step
of fusing the two splinter 'factions' is no worse than the original
splits. Neither religion can claim to be wholly unique, insofar as cere-
monial observation is concerned, or utterly differentiated from one 

This is -not- the case with Native American spirituality. (For the record,
aspects of my faith are also drawn from Mi'kmaq traditionalism; I am part
Mi'kmaq). While I would certainly not object to a Westerner's efforts to
embrace and better understand -that given paradigm-, what we're talking
about here is two very separate and distinct worldviews that don't merge
very easily, if at all. 

>And don't the *Natives* have the right to protest that, before their 
>cultural symbols become meaningless?

The Natives do, in fact, have the right to protest. However, thanks to
that wonderful thing called "freedom of religion," those seeking to 
utilize aspects of aboriginal North American traditions and practices
also have a right to use what they use.

I posit that Wicca lacks any significant cultural symbols that are 100%
unique to itself. In fact, I cannot think of a single one that has not
crossed paths with at least one other religious belief somewhere down
the line. 

The *synthesis* may have created something unique. But, to my mind, Wicca
holds -nothing- that does not owe something to something else. 

To a large extent, I suppose this could be said of just about any religion.
Or occult practice. Or whatever. "There is nothing new under the sun." 
Therefore, I see little point in attempting to section off anything as
'untouchable' -- though the effectiveness of the touching may vary from
person to person. 

>So why don't Pagans who happen to be White, Northern Europeans?

As I have said, the right to protest is there. One has the right to
respond, to rail, to wail, to wheedle, to whinge and to just plain
cry out. This does not stop me from taking what I have found to be
a very effective *and harmonious* framework, assimilating my forever-
evolving relationship with God into this thing, and setting the stage
for having all of it blown away in the face of something that defies
>To us, Christianity is the religion of the invaders, 
>who tried to *obliterate* our ways, and now want to *appropriate* them....

To some; not to all. As far as I am concerned, the acts of the various
and sundry peoples who killed, maimed, burned, tortured, and just generally
played God (if you'll pardon the term) with all that was not of them,
were not committed by me. I expect that our mutual understandings of what
constituted Christianity would be radically different. 

A religious structure is -not- something one can own like property. - - - - - - - w e d n e s d a y

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