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GOETIA

To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org
From: Brian  
Subject: Re: GOETIA
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:55:20 -0500 (CDT)

My own limited experience in these matters has been that a manifesting
medium of any sort is -- if not a necessity -- then at least an extremely
good idea.

Incense smoke seems to work well, as does the use of a "dark" mirror -
akin to a regular mirror, except its reflecting surface is black instead
of silver. The operation in this case becomes rather akin to traditional
scrying, and it is best accompanied by a healthy number of flickering
candles and incense smoke to add to the effect. Spooky.

Supposedly, a slightly dampened incense mixture of wormwood and mugwort
is a good manifesting medium for Goetic operations, with the added bonus
of the resultant fumes being mildly hallucinogenic. 

I have not tried this myself, but an online acquaintance of mine who has
done extensive Goetic work assures me that the mixture is quite effective.
I wouldn't want to use it anywhere but outdoors, though. And the gods only
know what exactly it's doing to one's fragile little mind. ;)

Brian 

On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, C Baphemetis wrote:

> 93,
> 
> Weeeeelllll, my experience with Goetia is limited
> to a few workings, since I'm not all that interested
> in commanding and banishing demons..... but, I've
> had some luck with visible appearance - using lots
> of incense gives them something to "form up" with,
> I think, so that's one suggestion....  I guess it could
> seem like "cheating" but there's a big difference between
> the usual cloud of incense and seeing it all mass together
> into a visible "shape".
> 
> The most intense manifestation was an audible
> voice.  Not pleasant.  Not one I particularly would
> seek out again.   But very audible, to all 3 people
> present.
> 
>  - clk
> 93 93/93
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:24 AM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >93!
> >Continuing my original message, I'd like to know if anyone has actually had 
> >success in EVOKING a Goetic spirit? I don't think many people do. Crowley 
> >didn't really have much success. But Crowley is not the only person who ever 
> >tried it either. I've never had any success conjuring them to visable 
> >appearance. One could sit there all day waiting to see some shit and never 
> >actually get anything done with the ritual either. I now am starting to 
> >invoke at the begining of the operation and wait to see in the third eye or 
> >feel the presence of the spirit. Once I feel certain of the presence I whip 
> >out the old hexagram and command the spirit into the triangle. This is the 
> >only success I've found. Somebody, please? Doesn't anyone know what's up?
> >
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