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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.sex,alt.magick,alt.magick.tantra From: catherine yronwodeSubject: Re: Masturbation & Meditation Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:39 GMT Chris wrote: > > nagasiva yronwode wrote: > > > > "Luis Castillo" wrote: > > > > > > What is next? > > > That Sexual Magic can be done in a homosexual relation? > > > > is there something problematic about homosexual relations > > with respect to sexual magic? what about the 11th Degree OTO? > > explain your comment about the OTO please Quick reply -- it is pretty well understood by various folks and held forth by various writers in print and on usenet that the 11th degree of the OTO involves -- depending on one's interpretation of Crowley's words -- anal sex of any kind [administered to both men and women by men] [administered by men peniley and by women with dildoes], exclusively homosexual male anal sex [no women taking the 11th degree] taboo-breaking or personally repulsive sex of some or any sort, [lesbian sex for heterosexual women] [homosexual anal sex for heterosexual men] [heterosexual sex for homosexual people of either gender] [taboo-breaking of any sort, at the whim of participants] and/or that "the 11th degree doesn't exist [at all and never did] [anymore] [in (c)OTO since William Breeze became head of the order]." There is a bunch of writing on this subject -- from various conflicting perspectives -- archived all over the web, so check it out at any of the good search engines, such as google.com. I know that nagasiva and i have a lot of material on the OTO and sex magic(k) in general archived at the Lucky Mojo Esoteric Archive, and if you go to the top level page of the Esoteric Archive http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html and use our on-site search engine with some well-chosen key words, you ought to be able to turn up whatever information we have on file. I seem to recall that Josh Geller wrote a straightforward exegesis on the forms of sex magic associated with each degree of the OTO, and so adding his name to your key words would help you turn that document up right away. For instance, i just used the keywords Josh Geller OTO sex with the instruction to select "all words" and turned up 4 documents that looked pretty juicy. Good luck! cat yronwode Lucky W Amulet Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html Free Spells Archive ------------ http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html Karezza and Sacred Sex ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html The Sacred Landscape ------- http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html Freemasonry for Women ------- http://www.luckymojo.com/comasonry.html The Mage's Guide to the Internet ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/magi No personal e-mail, please; just catch me in usenet; i read it daily. Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Send e-mail with your street address to catalogue@luckymojo.com and receive our free 32 page catalogue of hoodoo supplies and amulets
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