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GD Lineage today

To: alt.magick
From: Gnomedplume@aol.com (Gnome d Plume)
Subject: Re: GD Lineage today
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:45:35 GMT

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:20:34 GMT, "Pat Zalewski" 
wrote:

****Big snip****
>
>The bottom line is this anyone in any temple can claim any rank if you want
>to take rank at face value. When I first went to the US to tecah GD ritual
>as I was taught. They could not care if I claimed 10=1, what they wanted was
>substance in the teachings and that is what a teacaher should produce - not
>paper trails.It was very refreshing back then to have this viewpoint.
>
>One other point, in the 6=5 and 7=4 rituals I wrote a couple of bloinds into
>the ritual to know iof someone reproduced them I would instantly know my own
>work and any claims would be BS as to an old order in england , which is
>usually the case. This is another reasons for grips and signs. I used to get
>on an average at one point one perosn a month wanting me to recognise his or
>her 7=4.I actually met one in the flesh some years ago who got his 7=4 again
>form a   mysterious temple in England.I asked him the grip and signs and he
>could not give them. He did produce retyped and faded rituals from one of my
>books with the rituals in them.
>
>My advice is to shop around in thew GD and look for experience and if you do
>not like what they do in one temple then leave and go elsewhere.
>
>Pat
>
****Pat:

This reminds me of the story (recounted in *Secrets of the G.D. Cypher
MS*) where Wiccan elder Ed Fitch originally authored a Gardenarian
*Outer Court B.O.S.* and circulated it to his students. Of course it
leaked out and ended up in other hands. Years later a chap in Southern
California painstakingly re-copied the *O.C.B.O.S.* into an old ledger
in brown ink and claimed he had it from his grandmother! He founded a
"hereditary tradition" based on this and got a coven going. One of his
students later became one of Ed's students and the cat was out of the
bag. Another "hereditary tradition" down the tube! Just as a passing
note: this *O.C.B.O.S.*, with a few additions, became *The Grimorie of
Shadows* published a few years back. 
      One of the guys you mentioned above got  huffy in a disagreement
with me and informed me that I had offended " a 7=4 in the Golden
Dawn." I told him that I'd have to take his Word for it.....Aother
fellow you mentioned told me he was in touch with "The Secret Chiefs"
---to which I replied "why so am I, and so are we all, 'cause all
God's chilin' got to have them Secret Chiefs."
      You are right on the mark. If claims of lineages and hereditary
sanguinity are touted to discredit anyone else's work or validity, the
effect is---as it should be---just the opposite. 

Good Magick!

Gnome d Plume
http://members.aol.com/CHSOTA/bio.html

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