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John Dee & Edward Kelly the same person?

To: alt.magick.serious,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick
From: "Ta|oN" 
Subject: Re: John Dee & Edward Kelly the same person?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:38:12 GMT

> I understand your point, but taking history for what it is worth,
> there's alot to be proven as 'truth'. In Waites preface to 'The
> Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly' it discloses that while a young
> man, Kelly traveled to Glastonbury where he was shown a strange
> manuscript said to have been taken from the violated sepulchre of a
> bishop.
> Kelly recognized it for what it was, a treaties on
> Alchemy and after study of its contents, discovered the great secret.
> If you
> put 2 and 2 together here, and come to realization that, despite the
> correspondence which may indicate the contrary, Kelly and Dee were the
> same
> person, and that the rather despicable Kelly is a literary invention
> of
> Dee, the Rosicrucian, so that if anyone came too close in attempting
> to
> probe the secret, Kelly would have been the entity on which the blame
> was
> to be laid. The reasons for this charade, and the elements of proof
> which
> support it, are in the details that lie behind 'their' work and lack
> of
> surety of Kelly's back ground, schooling etc, 'To hide from a witch
> hunt'.
> Being Dr. Dee, noble man and astrological kinsman next to Queen
> Elizabeth
> would carry a more suitable reputation for a man of learning. Hence
> the
> first thing we do in an initiation is change or are given a new
> name/identity for a purpose. Causbon's A true and faithful
> relationship of what transpired for many years, is an account of a
> diary as Causbon was trying to expose Dee for many years. This is just
> a brief investigation on my part to give my point validity.
> Thanks

They were two different people there is enough evidence to rule out the
possibility that they were one person no matter how neatly it fits into the
above theory. Edward Kelly was born Edward Talbot in Worcester and attended
Oxford for a few years, but did not obtain a degree. He was also a noted
alchemist on his own right, publishing three alchemical works: The Stone of
the Philosophers, The Humid Way, and The Theatre of Terrestrial Astronomy.
He seems to have practiced as a notary for a number of years in London or
Lancaster. Kelly had his ears cut off for forgery, While the much older Dee
had both ears. Kelly received knighthood at the hand of the Bohemian Emperor
Rudolph II as a reward for his alchemical works (possibly as a result of the
small quantities of the Red and White Tinctures which he possessed), but
Rudolph later imprisoned him when he failed to deliver the quantities of
alchemical gold he had promised. Kelly died while attempting to escape from

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