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Beg. Enoch

To: alt.magick
From: (Gnome d Plume)
Subject: Re: Beg. Enoch
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:25:12 GMT

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:23:44 -0500, "Satyr"

>In article , [X]
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:59:21 GMT, "Casey Sheldon"
>>  wrote:
>>>> > Properly, one invokes Gots and evokes an angel.
>>>> I suspect it might be the other way 'round.  Invoking a Got would be
>>>> inviting demonic possession.  It happens, but is seldom sought for its
>>>> own sake.
>>>This happened to someone I know, but in the long run, most of the
>>>psychological damage came from the person's negative attitude towards
>>>the Goet (sing. of Goets???). This caused them to fight what could have
>>>been a personal transformation, imo. I recently expressed my opinions on
>>>the nature of Baal as a Canaanite deity (as opposed to merely a demonic
>>>one) and this seemed to have a rather remarkable effect upon the person
>>>in question. His negative attitude towards magick and spirituality
>>>seemed to lessen (he had sworn off of magick, in fear) and he actually
>>>began discussing and practicing again. Could this be partly why these
>>>entities are considered demonic? Is it because they represent inner
>>>struggles and changes that we are unwilling to undergo? Or are there
>>>other mysteries concealed within this?
>> I believe there are other mysteries here, this is a very interesting
>> question.
>> They appear to be demonic because the rabbis did a little magic of their
>> own. For instance, Astaroth/Ashtoreth was the goddess Astarte/Ashtart
>> before the rabbis inserted the vowels from the word "boshet" into the
>> names of the foreign gods: b*O*sh*E*t = shame/abomination, so the
>> goddess Ashtart becomes Asht*O*r*E*th.
>> Baal is identified with Molech in Jeremiah 19:5: "They have built also
>> the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt
>> offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came
>> it into my mind." Molech (also Moloch, although some distinguish the
>> two) was the Ammonite deity, to whom children were sacrified in fire,
>> but some scholars believe that it is not actually a proper name at all
>> but is derived from combining the consonants from the Hebrew word for
>> "king" (mlk) with the vowels of the word for "shame" (boshet), thus
>> "King of Shame".
>Perhaps the rabbis thought it necessary to draw a distinction between
>their god demanding Abrahm sacrifice his son in a high place, as opposed
>to the gruesome demands of rival deities.  That's interesting that Yahweh
>would later claim (in Jeremiah), he never did any such thing.  The fact
>that a ram was substituted in the end shows to my mind a difference in
>degree, rather than kind.
>> This practice of forming denigrating titles and names for deities with
>> letter manipulation seems to me an intriguing form of magic akin to
>> sigil magic, to literally demonize.
>> I'd be interested to hear what other people may have to add on this
>> topic.

*******Along this line it is interesting to note that Steve Savedow's
Goetic demons are all "evil," demonic in appearance--even
gargoylish--and are in no way useful as teachers of worthwhile
subjects. Savedow operates from the premise that all the Goetia
entities are klippothic (Jewish reverse Tree of Evil). Actually the
Goetia as we have it is "Christian" in its structure and especially in
its Dantesque view of Tartarus in which there are "virtuous pagans,"
etc. and "Fallen Angels" who, according to their descriptions, wish to
someday redeem themselves and re-ascend to their original lofty state.
In such an environment Pagan Gods, such as Baal, and Goddesses, such
as Astarte, can certainly be found and brought back (redeemed in the
personal sense)--but not if they are "klippothic." David Cantu may
have at one point explained where he is on this aspect of Goetic
theology but I do not recall his answer--in any case he seems to fear
them as if they are all klippothic and thus very dangerous. IMO
(taking them as hellish only in the Dantesque sense) I would say that
some of them, such as Belial, are very dangerous if you become
obsessed with them---whereas Baal and Astarte are fine to become
obsessed with--- or by. In fact we encourage it! If enough people
become obsessed, or possessed, we can go into a second printing on
*Seasonal Rites of Baal and Astarte* -- so get those thuribles fired
up, put those sigils on your mirrors and start conjuring! ******

Good Magick!

Gnome d Plume

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